[LCK] Spring 2019 - Page 15
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cLutZ
United States7524 Posts
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DarkCore
Germany3021 Posts
Banning Faker out is a sure recipe for getting dumpstered elsewhere on the map. For example, GRF banned Tahm in the first round twice because Tahm Ez is stupid in pro play right now, Tahm also works well with a bunch of other comps. Khan is also a good Jayce player, and the champ is S tier, no real losing lanes. Morg is too strong and versatile this patch, hence perma ban. SKT first picked Ryze twice, a safe champ that has no real counters that are meta, and scales super hard. The other time they picked Azir into Liss, super safe lane for him if Clid knows what he's doing (hint, he does). There are too many good mid champs that Faker can play to try and ban him out. | |||
cLutZ
United States7524 Posts
I guess its also a bit of a problem with the LCK gauntlet system. The #1 seed playing only 1 game is boring, we want to see them more. The LEC has probably the best playoffs currently that mixes rewarding the regular season with actually testing all the teams, but I also prefer the LCS system to this. The gauntlet was more fun when it was for qualification only. | |||
cLutZ
United States7524 Posts
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AdsMoFro
Australia2980 Posts
On April 16 2019 14:23 JimmiC wrote: I guess their advantage is they dont have to show anything. But yeah i prefer more games so.I like the other systems. Id go lec>lcs>lck for my preference. Strange they all diff. Is china différent as well? China seeds everyone in a bracket (1st/2nd straight to semis-3rd/4th Quarters-5th/6th/7th/8th wildcard bo3 i believe). Used to give the higher seed a one game advantage which doesn't happen anymore. | |||
cLutZ
United States7524 Posts
On April 16 2019 14:17 AdsMoFro wrote: I mean, 1st has lost, what twice in ten series? Don't think it's that big of an issue for the first place team. Hype wise, I'm inclined to want to see first play more but yeah 2015 Spring GE Loses to SKT 2016 Spring ROX loses to SKT 2019 Spring GRF loses to SKT But there are also instances where the #2 team lost its first match. 2016 Spring KT loses to SKT. 2016 Summer SKT loses to KT. 2017 Spring SSG loses to KT. 2017 Summer KT loses to SKT. I guess one might just say you prolly just want to avoid SKT in playoffs. OTOH, it also seems like one of the reasons for the drought we had in #1 seeds being upset was due to a rash of #2 seeds being upset before they got into a rhythm. | |||
evilfatsh1t
Australia320 Posts
On April 16 2019 05:01 cLutZ wrote: Even if you aren't going after faker, which I agree is often dumb, can't you make someone uncomfortable? I just seemed to me they were all in on the cheese strat and they psyched themselves into thinking that was the only way they could win. I guess its also a bit of a problem with the LCK gauntlet system. The #1 seed playing only 1 game is boring, we want to see them more. The LEC has probably the best playoffs currently that mixes rewarding the regular season with actually testing all the teams, but I also prefer the LCS system to this. The gauntlet was more fun when it was for qualification only. griffins mentality going into game 2 is pretty straight forward imo. on the back of a loss on the cheese strat theyve prepared for near 2 weeks, the obvious response is to play standard and see if you can claw back a game. i think the idea going through everyone in griffins head at this point is "if we cant beat them in a standard game, we wont win the series". skt's form was just too good for you to try and make them uncomfortable with drafting alone. you cant focus ban faker because his champion pool is too large, you cant ban out all of khans champions because bot and jg get to play whatever they want, you cant ban out clid and hope tarzan completely dominates jg because of form and because honestly the laners have too much presence to go completely unignored anyway. all you can do is just ban champions that are particularly annoying to deal with with the team you have in mind after losing game 2 its just confirmation in their minds that skt is too good. they spent 2 weeks trying to prepare a strat that can give them momentum in the series and since winning 3 games with standard drafts is going to be difficult you might as well go back to your original plan and attempt to start over. i do think griffin really screwed up their preparations for the finals overall though. 2 weeks of prep got them a strat that has such blatant shortcomings in terms of scaling and their pick ban order was extremely questionable. why would you pick taliyah panth as 2nd and 3rd picks and let their botlane play the best possible champions to deal with that, rather than waiting for their bot lane to be picked and picking taliyah panth at 4th and 5th pick if skt's bot lane is weaker (ie. not ezreal) or just pick standard. the success of the bot lane has so much weighting on the game it should have been a complete surprise or just substituted for something much less risky. sona/taric would have been better even because at least they provide buffs to your other laners too and mid/top could still be relevant | |||
cLutZ
United States7524 Posts
Hell, they banned Kench in 1 & 3 and people assume its because EZ-TK is a killer combo. But that was open in G2 and they didn't pick it! | |||
DarkCore
Germany3021 Posts
Jayce seems to be overall the same stats for both teams, sporting ~62% WR. Personally, I think Khan is a much better Jayce, mechanically speaking. But Chovy didn't play him once this split, so my guess is that the big power of Jayce as a flex pick is lost for GRF, SKT is going to predict that he's going to be in the top lane, meaning that they are free to pick a top laner later in the draft, and can greedily go for good picks in mid lane. Or they can straight up pick a top laner and force GRF to pick a safe mid laner, else Faker gets to counterpick. Either way, SKT is granted more flexibility. Good chance that Chovy didn't practice Morg, or GRF thought SKT could abuse it better than them. The big problem of not banning these kinds of champions is that when you leave them open, you are kind of forced to pick them, leaves you open to getting counterpicked or the opponent building a full counter comp (for example, picking Orrn into Jayce, followed by a full engage comp, stopping Jayce from splitting). If you don't pick them, your own first pick has to consider playing against them. Point is, SKT has pretty much always had godlike drafting, and I don't think we've ever praised GRF for the PB phase. In bo5, that's a really big advantage, hence their consistent domination when their team isn't shit. | |||
evilfatsh1t
Australia320 Posts
jayce is because khan is godlike at it and when your jg is going to be bot most of the time because you want to dive with panth and snowball your bot lane, you dont want a jayce playing with no pressure at top. | |||
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