I'm not going to do the whole "what questions you should/shouldn't ask in SQSA" that some of the other threads do, partly because most people probably know how this is supposed to work, and partly because I'm lazy (but I'm justified because fana's BW SQSA is equally lazy!).
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TheYango
United States13343 Posts
I'm not going to do the whole "what questions you should/shouldn't ask in SQSA" that some of the other threads do, partly because most people probably know how this is supposed to work, and partly because I'm lazy (but I'm justified because fana's BW SQSA is equally lazy!). | |||
Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast2999 Posts
On February 10 2013 13:30 krndandaman wrote: which is better, getting inhibitor+turret or baron? how to decide when to push or go dragon/baron? item slots are all full in late game. sell items to get wards? elixirs? or just leave it as it is and play no wards/elixirs? Inhib 99% of the time. The one exception is if you're a really really good sieging team against a great aoe engage team, then you might want baron to help your siege even more. I'm assuming you're talking about after you win a team fight and are choosing between the two, if not please specify. When to push again relies on your team comp. Do you have champions who can poke them down from long distances like Jayce or Nidalee? If so and you can chunk them down near their towers you could push, or chunk them near your base and bait or rush baron. If you have a great aoe team comp it's not a bad idea to get an oracles and see if you can bait them into engaging you outside baron. Your support should ALWAYS keep at least 1 item slot, wards are better than them having a 6th item no matter what. You can buy elixirs when you're full items and it'll immediately pop them. A good idea if you have 250g+ hanging around and know you'll fight soon. | |||
sob3k
United States2157 Posts
On February 10 2013 13:30 krndandaman wrote: which is better, getting inhibitor+turret or baron? how to decide when to push or go dragon/baron? item slots are all full in late game. sell items to get wards? elixirs? or just leave it as it is and play no wards/elixirs? On another note, if its bot inhib then definitely go for it. It will pull them away from baron and give you an easy opportunity to go for it for the rest of the game | |||
krndandaman
Mozambique8258 Posts
On February 10 2013 13:46 Zdrastochye wrote: Inhib 99% of the time. The one exception is if you're a really really good sieging team against a great aoe engage team, then you might want baron to help your siege even more. I'm assuming you're talking about after you win a team fight and are choosing between the two, if not please specify. When to push again relies on your team comp. Do you have champions who can poke them down from long distances like Jayce or Nidalee? If so and you can chunk them down near their towers you could push, or chunk them near your base and bait or rush baron. If you have a great aoe team comp it's not a bad idea to get an oracles and see if you can bait them into engaging you outside baron. Your support should ALWAYS keep at least 1 item slot, wards are better than them having a 6th item no matter what. You can buy elixirs when you're full items and it'll immediately pop them. A good idea if you have 250g+ hanging around and know you'll fight soon. yep after team fight. alright thanks that was really helpful. didnt know that at all  | |||
imBLIND
United States217 Posts
When is it better to push the lane and call mia/spam the ping when you see the enemy mid leave to gank, and when is it better to follow, assuming we're not dealing with teleporting champs (TF, panth, or the summoner skill). And as a generic AP mid (ryze, cass, anivia, orianna, any squishy mage), what is the best way to deal with AD mids and anyone with a gap closer that just spams potions in the early game phase? | |||
Scip
Czech Republic6461 Posts
On February 10 2013 13:30 krndandaman wrote: which is better, getting inhibitor+turret or baron? how to decide when to push or go dragon/baron? item slots are all full in late game. sell items to get wards? elixirs? or just leave it as it is and play no wards/elixirs? Depends on what inhibitor+turret. If it's middle lane, it's definitely an advantage to the baron team, do that trade only when you are behind and can't stop them from baroning. Top and especially bot inhib are close, but I'd generally prefer the nash. It gains you way more gold and unless your team is way weaker lategame you should be able to clg.eu your way to victory after. Also note that when trading inhib for nash, the inhib will respawn at more or less perfect time for the baron-winning team. How to decide when to push/take objective is a bit more difficult, the simple answer is "if you can, then do it". Bbviously recognizing when you are able to take them is the difficult part, but even progamers often get it wrong, so you just gotta keep trying. :3 | |||
sob3k
United States2157 Posts
On February 10 2013 20:15 imBLIND wrote: For the mid lane: When is it better to push the lane and call mia/spam the ping when you see the enemy mid leave to gank, and when is it better to follow, assuming we're not dealing with teleporting champs (TF, panth, or the summoner skill). And as a generic AP mid (ryze, cass, anivia, orianna, any squishy mage), what is the best way to deal with AD mids and anyone with a gap closer that just spams potions in the early game phase? well its always a decision, you need to take into account: 1. Are you in time in noticing to actually get to bot and help them? If not then go for the tower. 2. Is your jungle in position to help counterdive? if so then that makes going bot more attractive (unless he can do it solo) 3. Do you have good ward coverage bot so you can see where they are coming from? If so then that adds to going down. 4. If you aren't sure where their mid is: What would happen if you ran into their mid in your jungle/river on the way down? If the result is instant death then you probably can't follow unless your jungle is near or you see them with a ward and know they arent just waiting in a bush. 5. Is a dive going down that should be close and you can clean up? Even if you are too late to save them it could be worth it, especially if you are like Ahri or someone really strong at cleanup. If your bot lane are both 120hp huddled under tower about the be executed then stay the fuck away. You'd be running into a 3v1. If there is less than excellent ward coverage then most of the time you wont be able to follow fast enough or safely enough unless your jungle is going with you. If you can't go then just don't be a fucking pussy, push as fast as you can and do as much damage as possible. If your mid keeps roaming and you don't take tower thats a serious fuckup. Also put a ward at your wraiths entrance if they go through your jungle, everyone will thank you. | |||
DarKFoRcE
Germany35 Posts
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sob3k
United States2157 Posts
On February 10 2013 21:35 DarKFoRcE wrote: I started to main support about a week or so ago. Im not sure which supports i should focus on. So far i have played Zyra by far the most (80% mb). Other than that i sometimes pick Lulu BC Sona Taric, I dont see Thresh being played that often, but he seems very strong to me, what do you guys think? Everyone says he's really strong. He's not unlocked for LCS yet, but when he is you should see a lot of him. You won't see him as much in soloQ because he's new and expensive and not that many people main support and are gonna drop the cash for him. | |||
Scip
Czech Republic6461 Posts
On February 10 2013 21:35 DarKFoRcE wrote: I started to main support about a week or so ago. Im not sure which supports i should focus on. So far i have played Zyra by far the most (80% mb). Other than that i sometimes pick Lulu BC Sona Taric, I dont see Thresh being played that often, but he seems very strong to me, what do you guys think? Yeah, Zyra and Lulu are by far the best supports for most situations. Sona and Taric are good in very specific lanes, but in those they are extremely strong (for example, Taric+Urgot or Ezreal+Sona). Blitzcrank is kinda outclassed by Thresh as a weirdly playing kill lane with a hook. Thresh is just pretty good in general. Leona is also good sometimes, she's good for kill lanes and also for laneswaps if you have an ad carry with some AoE ability, but she's mostly good for her teamfight (her ulti is pretty stronk) | |||
Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast2999 Posts
On February 10 2013 21:35 DarKFoRcE wrote: I started to main support about a week or so ago. Im not sure which supports i should focus on. So far i have played Zyra by far the most (80% mb). Other than that i sometimes pick Lulu BC Sona Taric, I dont see Thresh being played that often, but he seems very strong to me, what do you guys think? Thresh is super duper strong. He'll get nerfed in the following weeks I'm sure of it. The soul scaling on his Q make him hit ridiculously hard if you wait the max time for the proc, so I'd advise maxing Q first or second depending on if your adc really needs the shield or not. His W is obviously what makes him probably the most effective support atm at gank assisting, as you can throw it back to a jungler for a lane gank from stupidly far distance. His hook is very slow, and most people are able to dodge it so don't expect it to hit most times. I honestly run at them to engage and then throw it out once they run away from you, had the most success hitting those though you generally eat a lot of poke for it. His E is a lot better as a disengager if their jungler comes along, but it's not a bad spell for keeping enemies close to you, the most awkward thing about it is getting a feel for the range. His ult is pretty straightforward, and it's rather obvious when you'd want to use it. | |||
Ente
Germany834 Posts
I started to main support about a week or so ago. Im not sure which supports i should focus on. So far i have played Zyra by far the most (80% mb). Other than that i sometimes pick Lulu BC Sona Taric, I dont see Thresh being played that often, but he seems very strong to me, what do you guys think? Thresh is broken. The reason why he isnt played as much is because pros dont play him that much because hes banned in LCS. A well played Tresh is just stupid and he will be really hard to balance (free tank stats and the lantern just seem really strong) Other then that already answered: Zyra/Lulu are probably the 2 strongest maybe Taric aswell considering he has one of the highest winrates consistantly (over every single elo) it also really depends on what you want from your support. For example: For laneswapping Lulu is in general stronger because she has better poke/push for a lvl 2 allin comb maybe Taric would be better and so on. There is some okayish pickguide from Spellsy out there which is kinda correct (Thresh is missing I think and Nunu is after the nerfs way way weaker) which is better, getting inhibitor+turret or baron? personally I usually prefer Inhib+turret (you have slightly less gold but you get lanes pushed). It depends though how the game is going etc: if you are really far ahead dont trade because you dont have to. You can just take 1 tower and get nash or something. If you are behind it might be the thing which they need to dive you and so on. Its a really situational call and you cant say that. how to decide when to push or go dragon/baron? when to push/take objectives. When you can do it its really really situational you cant answer that. item slots are all full in late game. sell items to get wards? elixirs? or just leave it as it is and play no wards/elixirs? What are you playing how many wards do you have which is full itemslots ? If you are support you should rarely get 6 items and have always a wardslot left (even with sightstone) unless one of your teammates gets 5 wards consistantly aswell. So full itemslots? Are you an AD carry with 6 tier 3 items? dont get wards. Are you an AD carry with 5 tier 3 items and dorans blade? You can sell your dorans and get wards. In general if you have 6 tier 3 items (or 5 tier 3 /boots) you shouldnt get wards unless you are a support (supports are champs like Mao/nunu etc jungle aswell) Why would you not get elixirs? If you cant buy anything else just spam those (remember to get blue pot on everything aswell, everyone benefits from cdr + oracle) | |||
Alaric
France24704 Posts
On February 10 2013 20:15 imBLIND wrote: For the mid lane: When is it better to push the lane and call mia/spam the ping when you see the enemy mid leave to gank, and when is it better to follow, assuming we're not dealing with teleporting champs (TF, panth, or the summoner skill). If you're good at pushing/killing towers yourself, if you don't have a good enough ward coverage that it's safe to follow (as in if you're against a Malz or an Ahri, facechecking while following him can a one-way trip to the fountain for example), if you're a vulnerable champ in general (Malz, Karthus with his ult down so he can't just stay in lane and press R, Anivia...). | |||
olabaz
United States55 Posts
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Ente
Germany834 Posts
I play ADC and I feel like every time I do a long trade with anyone in lane early levels I always lose the trade no matter what champion I have or am up against. When is a good time to do long trades? Also, how do I beat vayne in lane? I usually play vayne and it's nearly impossible to win lane against me when I just wait for it to push and farm at turret. People at lower elo (which I just assume you are) are in general way way way too passive in lane and they dont know how to harrass correctly. Thats why you can farm freely at the tower (you should just get poked lower and lower at your tower/get dived) And your first statement seems to be exactly the same, you dont know how to harrass correctly. You just have to find the correct time which means : They dont have an excessive amount of creeps which get you too low, You dont miss too many creeps (its ok missing a few but missing like 4-5 creeps to get 100 dmg in is not worth it). Harrassing actually does anything which means you have some kind of sustain (lifesteal or heal) and they have less then you (if you trade even) Thats a mistake many people do when playing for example Kogmaw which is: not harrassing enough when you can do it. Just one additional thing: you will never win your lane by just farming the best you can do is not lose (which is enough for some ads) You can pretty much only win your lane by beeing agressive/harrassing/trading/killing (at high(er) level of play) | |||
krndandaman
Mozambique8258 Posts
I've also seen AD carries all start with doran's blade even if their support had no heal. why is that? in my games I usually see 2 pots and a long sword to go vamp scepter unless they are going for a kill lane. | |||
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