2021 LoL Esports General Discussion - Page 3
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Gahlo
United States34958 Posts
The season can start later and the post Spring => Summer gap for non playoff teams is too long. | ||
JimmiC
Canada22642 Posts
On May 31 2021 11:29 chipmonklord17 wrote: Then when are players supposed to take breaks? Just have 3/4 of the year be professional play and 1/4 of the year be downtime? How many breaks are required? Not being facetious just that most jobs have 3-5 weeks vacation a year. I get there is physical strain on the hands but lots keep playing in the down time and thus is not physical damaging like American football, hockey, basketball and so on. More games would likely mean more money for the players and given their short careers they might appreciate that. Maybe from a mental health perspective it is mandatory but physically I'm not sure why they copy the super long off season of traditional sports. | ||
chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
I don't know what the answer is, and I think Riot has a lot more to fix before they tackle offseasons that are slightly too long | ||
JimmiC
Canada22642 Posts
Even if the top teams ahve to give more rest to starters I could see it being advantageous for the scene to then give more players a opportunity to play while those main guys got a break. Perhaps teams that qualified would be allowed a larger roster or something. | ||
chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
Now you could definitely argue that because of how utterly stupid NA's format is there's no reasonable way that those top three could fuck up their standings based on their spring splits, but that's a separate topic. Side note, holy shit I forgot Summer was TRIPLE round robin. Whos ready for the second coming of play in MSI group A. | ||
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chipmonklord17
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Said tournament would never ever be allowed to interfere with MSI so you either have to make it before or after. If you don't bar the good teams from playing their orgs WILL make them play in said tournament, so having a qualifier would still just result in the best teams in the region have yet another event to play in that they don't want to, ala Rift Rivals. If you do bar the top orgs from playing who's going to watch it? Would anyone really want to watch an international tournament where a group could be Brion/IMT/AXIS/KLG (random low placing teams from the same respective regions as group C MSI)? I mean maybe for kicks? | ||
DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
On June 01 2021 04:12 Sent. wrote: What's silly is the amount of downtime players from bottom teams get, both those who get eliminated early in the playoffs and who don't make it there at all. They spend like a third of the year with no opportunity to win anything or even gain exposure from playing in a serious event. I think it evens out, they can still scrim and have more time to figure out why their roster performed poorly. It's a good time for intensive coaching because they don't have to prepare for an opponent every week. I do wish there were more minor tournaments though. Something like a Europa League for mid tier teams. But it would probably be abysmal quality, LPL and LCK are stacked, but LEC and LCS fall off hard outside of the top teams, I expect the same for minor regions. | ||
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On June 01 2021 04:21 chipmonklord17 wrote: Again, how do you fix that? Do you run a reverse MSI where the regions worst teams compete? Do you do a tournament with qualifiers that you can only enter if you reached X place or worse in the regular split/play offs? When would that take place? Said tournament would never ever be allowed to interfere with MSI so you either have to make it before or after. If you don't bar the good teams from playing their orgs WILL make them play in said tournament, so having a qualifier would still just result in the best teams in the region have yet another event to play in that they don't want to, ala Rift Rivals. If you do bar the top orgs from playing who's going to watch it? Would anyone really want to watch an international tournament where a group could be Brion/IMT/AXIS/KLG (random low placing teams from the same respective regions as group C MSI)? I mean maybe for kicks? There's no need to intefere with MSI or to organize an interregional event. You could take bottom tier LEC teams and top national teams and have them play in something like EU masters, with games being scheduled on Thursdays or right before MSI games. There's also enough time to hold a shorter tournament after MSI. Yeah, the viewership would be much lower than usual, but it's still better than nothing. Make it a normal event with a standard structure instead of weird stuff like Rift Rivals or super weird stuff like All-stars. If EU masters is a sanctity they don't want to tinker with, they could try to organize something with bottom tier LEC teams and top Turkish/CIS teams. NA could do the same with Brazilian and Latin American teams. | ||
chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
I can't stress enough that I agree with you that the current format gives potentially too much time off for bad teams and definitely too little time off for good teams, but I don't know what can be done about it in reality juggling the need to not interfere with MSI, while giving teams enough time to make roster moves and get into the swing of things for summer while making it so the solution isn't "well what if everyone has too little time off" | ||
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Poland8962 Posts
Team owners probably wouldn't agree to participate in such system though. Imagine getting demolished by an amateur team and having to come up with an explanation why they shouldn't replace you in the main league. | ||
JimmiC
Canada22642 Posts
@chipmonk I think you would drop a couple more games if you gave your stars a break, but if you staggered them and choose when to use them I don't think it would be that bad and most of the time the top teams could lose a few more and still make the playoffs. I also disagree that the top teams don't get enough time off. They still get months off which is a lot more then most people. And more games and tournaments mean more money for all the teams which will in time mean more money for the players and jobs for more players if depth all the sudden matters. | ||
Uldridge
Belgium4244 Posts
There's still scrims, meetings, soloQ grinding, fundamentals that need to be brushed up and more cerebral things like understanding the meta. Their careers are playing the game at the highest level, playing the game outside of the scope of a tournament is therefore not necessarily time off. | ||
JimmiC
Canada22642 Posts
Right now a non playoff team plays competitive league for 1 month 3 weeks, then has a 3 month non tournament/competitive game break, has another 7 weeks and then not again for 6 months! There no way 14 weeks out of the year is the best for them. Playoff teams would have up to 8 more weeks and a worlds and MSI qualifier could have up to 10 weeks more. Meaning some teams get 50% more time and others get double! Running something so that the non playoff teams are playing like 2-530 weeks of the year instead of a quarter would make a lot of sense to me. | ||
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