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[Patch 10.15] Lillia Release General Discussion

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AdsMoFro
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Australia3754 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 02:36:22
July 22 2020 02:35 GMT
#1
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Patch 10.15: Live on July. 22, 2020

Team Fight Tactics Patch 10.15 Live on July. 22, 2020

Lillia, The Bashful Bloom, will be released this patch. Check out these links to find out more about her:
  • Lillia Biography
  • Lillia Champion Insights
  • Lillia Abilities Rundown
  • Lillia Champion Teaser


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FaCE_1
Profile Joined December 2006
Canada464 Posts
July 22 2020 14:16 GMT
#2
dam, I already had lots of fun with swain support, will go again even more !
n_n
Jek
Profile Joined July 2011
Denmark2229 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-22 20:01:27
July 22 2020 19:56 GMT
#3
I cant wait for Lillia to be available, played a fair bit of PTS and she is so many times more fun than her kit suggest. One of the first new champions in ages that doesn't fell like cancer to play against too. :D

Nerfing tank Fiddle on the other hand is pure whenever a champion is viable in another way than Riot intented they always get slammed.

Love the lowkey omega buff (E) to toplane Skarner. :D
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2772 Posts
July 22 2020 20:05 GMT
#4
Is a new champ actually working as intended and being played in the jungle on the patch server?
Jek
Profile Joined July 2011
Denmark2229 Posts
July 22 2020 21:03 GMT
#5
Tarzaned playing her right now.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada6026 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-23 01:46:52
July 23 2020 01:44 GMT
#6
I had a Lillia support in one of my games. She went like 1 and 15. Haven't seen her otherwise. She's been perma babes at my elo.

For a champion that's supposed to be a jungler, her base armor is atrocious at a measly 20. Idk, her clear is fast when you get some items, but she feels mighty squishy in jungle over, and I don't even really see how you could effectively kite better. She can't even really abuse Raptor + rejuv Regen because her single target is bad enough that she needs to focus farm Raptors early, so you can't exactly skip Raptors and run by and hit them like you can on most Champions.

What do people think of LeeSin? I've always held this perception that you need to be an exceptional Lee player to pick him. But like... I had a couple of people pick him for me in trades because he was their only jungle pick and despite being awful at him I just kept winning. After this happen like 4 times, I noticed the 100% winrate and started actually picking him for myself; after 150 games I still have a 59% winrate on him at my "true Elo", which is the highest of about 5 picks I pay frequently. Conventionally, I'd say I'm what I would call a bad Lee Sin player... My damage share is always bad, my mechanics suck, and i fall off a cliff. I don't do flashy picks side from the occasional R flash, I don't tilt people off the face of the earth, I don't 1v9, I'm always behind in gold and xp, in 150 games I'm still mastery level 5 with only a single mastery 6 token and 60k champ experience... But I just win and win and win. I thought I was just lucky as hell for a long time, but at this point the sample size is so large I can't help but think maybe I'm "good at Lee sin."

It doesn't make sense to me.
Jek
Profile Joined July 2011
Denmark2229 Posts
July 23 2020 02:28 GMT
#7
On July 23 2020 10:44 iCanada wrote:
For a champion that's supposed to be a jungler, her base armor is atrocious at a measly 20. Idk, her clear is fast when you get some items, but she feels mighty squishy in jungle over, and I don't even really see how you could effectively kite better. She can't even really abuse Raptor + rejuv Regen because her single target is bad enough that she needs to focus farm Raptors early, so you can't exactly skip Raptors and run by and hit them like you can on most Champions.

Hm? She has nearly full health after a leashless full clear, I could finish it around 3:25 pretty sure it can be done quite faster it was on PTS so I had shitty ping. Ravenous Hunter is bonkers on her for the sustain since her passive count as single target damage.

Start red and use Raptors like Rumble to heal.
Krugs
Raptors
Wolf
Blue (start Gromp when blue is around 1/3 and do both at the same time)

Skill Q-W-Q-E
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada6026 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-23 06:21:43
July 23 2020 03:05 GMT
#8
I feel like we're playing different Champions. You have a video? Relatively standard jungle kiting leaves me like half HP.



This video at around 2 minutes is imo as good as it gets, and even using the raptors to heal with a solo leash gets you about the same. This feels reliable, but I've tried for hours and can't seem to get any better results than about half HP.

I have seen some PBE videos, but that was prior to them gutting her base armor by like 8.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland5209 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-23 14:02:25
July 23 2020 11:00 GMT
#9
What do people think of LeeSin? I've always held this perception that you need to be an exceptional Lee player to pick him. "


I think he's very safe and not as hard as people think he is. He "feels" bad when you're not carrying on him and absolutely awful when you mess something up (failing an Insec is probably much worse than giving your Oriana a sombrero), but you don't have to be an exceptional Lee player to play him on an acceptable level.
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Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands2858 Posts
July 23 2020 13:14 GMT
#10
Damn, Riot did the classic "buff" to Skarner. Champ feels way worse now.
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Slusher
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11467 Posts
July 23 2020 14:54 GMT
#11
If I see tear in the thumbnail for a jungle guide I’m moving on
Carrilord has arrived.
Jek
Profile Joined July 2011
Denmark2229 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-23 19:28:04
July 23 2020 19:26 GMT
#12
On July 23 2020 12:05 iCanada wrote:
I feel like we're playing different Champions. You have a video? Relatively standard jungle kiting leaves me like half HP.

+ Show Spoiler [video] +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAbAwy237AQ&list=PL4kJb1dtBpTpdfNJ1SrxKgIn0bEO7cML-&index=2&t=0s


This video at around 2 minutes is imo as good as it gets, and even using the raptors to heal with a solo leash gets you about the same. This feels reliable, but I've tried for hours and can't seem to get any better results than about half HP.

I have seen some PBE videos, but that was prior to them gutting her base armor by like 8.

In my worst red start Fleet Footwork runs I have ~620 after a leashless clear.

I dont have a clip but from that video I think he's missing way too many Talisman ticks. He's burst killing a lot of the small creeps instead of letting them die to dots meaning less Talisman ticks/heal, you take zero damage from them since you're kiting and you spend the same amount of time killing the big anyway. A lot (all if done perfectly I think) of the small can die while burning from passive/talisman without taking extra damage instead of just burst killing them. From the clip the first thing I noticed was the last 4 small krugs he doesn't hit all of them with inner circle meaning 2 less ticks likewise on raptors he's missing a fuckton ton the entire camp can die to dots while you're running towards wolves.

He might ironically be doing "too much" damage (you dont lose clear speed) from using double adaptive runes? I used 2x armor.

In short I think he's not utilizing her huge amount of dot damage and missing a lot of Talisman procs. I'd imagine the only time you want a leash on her is if you want to start blue or cheese gank.
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada6026 Posts
July 23 2020 20:55 GMT
#13
On July 24 2020 04:26 Jek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2020 12:05 iCanada wrote:
I feel like we're playing different Champions. You have a video? Relatively standard jungle kiting leaves me like half HP.

+ Show Spoiler [video] +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAbAwy237AQ&list=PL4kJb1dtBpTpdfNJ1SrxKgIn0bEO7cML-&index=2&t=0s


This video at around 2 minutes is imo as good as it gets, and even using the raptors to heal with a solo leash gets you about the same. This feels reliable, but I've tried for hours and can't seem to get any better results than about half HP.

I have seen some PBE videos, but that was prior to them gutting her base armor by like 8.

In my worst red start Fleet Footwork runs I have ~620 after a leashless clear.

I dont have a clip but from that video I think he's missing way too many Talisman ticks. He's burst killing a lot of the small creeps instead of letting them die to dots meaning less Talisman ticks/heal, you take zero damage from them since you're kiting and you spend the same amount of time killing the big anyway. A lot (all if done perfectly I think) of the small can die while burning from passive/talisman without taking extra damage instead of just burst killing them. From the clip the first thing I noticed was the last 4 small krugs he doesn't hit all of them with inner circle meaning 2 less ticks likewise on raptors he's missing a fuckton ton the entire camp can die to dots while you're running towards wolves.

He might ironically be doing "too much" damage (you dont lose clear speed) from using double adaptive runes? I used 2x armor.

In short I think he's not utilizing her huge amount of dot damage and missing a lot of Talisman procs. I'd imagine the only time you want a leash on her is if you want to start blue or cheese gank.


This makes a semblance of sense to me. That being said, in the very least her clear is very... non standard and harder to get into than other champions I've sunk a lot of games into like say Nidalee or Qiyana.

On July 23 2020 20:00 Sent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
What do people think of LeeSin? I've always held this perception that you need to be an exceptional Lee player to pick him. "


I think he's very safe and not as hard as people think he is. He "feels" bad when you're not carrying on him and absolutely awful when you mess something up (failing an Insec is probably much worse than giving your Oriana a sombrero), but you don't have to be an exceptional Lee player to play him on an acceptable level.


Yeah, with my experience, I'm leaning towards him being this quintessential beginner jungler that people get sucked into inting games away on instead of this mechanical god champion that 1v9s. I think if people played him the way they play say Warwick, there winrate would skyrocket. He's so forgiving with positioning and getting vision, has all these tools to engage, peel, and otherwise support people in fights that get overshadowing by trying to solo win games with insecs and stuff.

But honestly, I kind of think a standard Insec (QtrnketWR) is bad compared to say a W>Rflash>Q out. It's harder to accomplish. It is less consistent even when you do it well, its easy to escape or screw up the kick positioning, and you have no way to escape whatever position the Insec put you in in the first place. WRflashQ on the other hand is consistent as hell, is instant / less telegraphed and inescapable, and you get to Q out into the safety of your team. You burn flash, but you get the guaranteed safe pick. A lot of times if an ADC is on their game they will flash your insec anyway, and then you have to Rflash to actually Insec them anyway; meanwhile they are in a safer position, you're in a more precarious one, and you dont have any escapes. And mechanically it is waaaaaaay easier.
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria1134 Posts
July 24 2020 10:50 GMT
#14
This is how it goes:

Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2772 Posts
July 24 2020 14:47 GMT
#15
I think the stupidest part about Yone is that, up until this point, every champion that gets reworked is gone forever, yet this is obviously a Yasuo rework that they chose couldn't actually replace him, making every single player's complaint about removing old champions valid instantly
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland5209 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-24 20:29:52
July 24 2020 15:22 GMT
#16
Spammable Q, magic damage in the kit to neutralize defensive itemization, %max health damage, free sustain, likely no mana or energy reliance...

At least his mobilty won't be as bad to play against as Yasuo's or Riven's. I don't think he's going to replace Yasuo as the most popular "I carry or I int" champion. His lanky model is also uglier in my opinion. Wrong kind of edgy.

You're now breathing manually
Uldridge
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium1999 Posts
July 24 2020 17:08 GMT
#17
Looks like an anime character if I ever saw one.
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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria1134 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-24 19:14:13
July 24 2020 18:54 GMT
#18
the kit looks like higher utility - similar damage yasuo that is harder to fuck up

p.s. if he is able to pull back his E whenever he wants - should be pretty broken on top of the rest of his utility, like better Zed's W with more control and better supportive abilities
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada6026 Posts
July 24 2020 19:26 GMT
#19
They took Yasuo and made it edgier.
chipmonklord17
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2772 Posts
July 24 2020 20:58 GMT
#20
Their initial plan was "lets make a different Yasuo for Yasuo mains to play so Yasuo pick rate goes down"
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