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I love it. All my champs / builds got buffed. Vlad is better (no mana). AP Cho is way better since he has innate sustain and they buffed his first full item (ludens). Tank Swain is better since he goes catalyst into frozen heart and has infinite mana anyway so this won’t do anything to slow down his spell casts.
amumu buff is pretty sizeable actually. One of the big issues with amumu was the prohibitively high cost of a rank 5 Q (Q max 2nd, or 1st with 3 points in E was the best build for him IMO). If you wanted to use it few times in a fight instead of just the one combo with ult, you went oom incredibly fast which meant it mattered less if you got ahead.
I mean he wants -Max CDR so he can actually gap close with Q -Loads of tank stats because he has nothing innate except E and meh base hp -AP if you can get it because it's really nice -Utility if none of the above is worth it
Having to get max mana as well if you wanted to be useful for any prolonged fight was annoying.
His biggest issue is just being a worse sejuani though. It was worse before when not only was he less tanky but he also had to get close to engage. Now he has a better AoE CC but still more squishy than seju
mundo buff looks like it could get pretty funny with stoneplate+spirit visage+warmogs and pop R level 16 for 260% max hp heal..
The Ivern buffs feel nasty. Post level 15 you need literally 3 seconds to get a buff AND a copy for a carry. That shit is massive, I don't think any champion can kill a buff that fast and Ivern getting it gives the copy
A few junglers can do it I think, but pretty much only using smite. And the tank junglers most certainly can't, so have to see if they lose viability.
Riot discovering Spellbinding isn't very good, decide to increase the cost and decrease AP for MS. I predict it will be used even less now.
Mundo buff is hilariously dumb, if enemy doesn't get GW, he becomes unkillable, if they do, he's still pretty useless. At the very least he'll probably dump on more champions in lane.
I don't think post level 11 clear speed is what decides which jungler are viable and which ones are not. Still, it's a nice change which makes him feel a lot better.
On May 03 2018 14:02 iCanada wrote: I always kind of thought if you didn't build yolo 1shot squishy build on Mumu you were a troll that shoulda picked Sej.
Not that I've ever thought yolo ap mummy was good, but in modern league he's never had a good tank kit.
playing a bad build is worse than picking a build that is slightly inferior to the same build on another champ, I mean a few thousand gold probably definitely makes a bigger difference than your champ being a bit weaker at 25 minutes.
I'm not sure AP mumu is always terrible but if it is it's more troll than tank amumu.
Mumu was used like once by cloudtemplar in S2 in a big game they won and next patch they nerfed his ult radius and therefore his ult area quite significantly and he hasn't been seen since.
Mundos buffs don't do much about his lane phase tbh, it's mostly lvl 11/16 that you notice it.
Killing camps in 3 seconds lategame isn't a big deal at all. People like udyr, shyvana have no problem doing it. I imagine Kha, warriors/trinity olaf skarner or xin have no problem with it either.
Mumu was used like once by cloudtemplar in S2 in a big game they won and next patch they nerfed his ult radius and therefore his ult area quite significantly and he hasn't been seen since.
Hey, MVP played it a couple times last season too. It was AP as well!
I don't fully understand either, is there an item she builds that has AP as a side stat? Even weirder because they removed the AP ratio on her W.
A relatively unexplored part of Shyvana's fantasy is the whole flying-around-breathing-fire thing. We're moving around some of her ability power ratios to enable more people to try out this play pattern.
Someone at Riot actually endorses AP Shyv? I'll be honest, I don't think I've seen it once in my entire time playing this game.
Some people here complained that you used to be able to build both AP and AD on champs if you wanted damage. Doesn't matter if it's not good at a high level but it can be fun. Seems like this is what riot is trying to bring back in places and I like the idea.
gonna see some clips of ap shyvanas one shotting people with R E
On May 04 2018 02:00 Yorbon wrote: I approve if it's as hilarious as this: + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pelujKaSB50
Wtf is that custom skin at the end of the video, is that supposed to be a bat? A moose? It looks hilarious. And the channel is pretty funny, something else to watch instead of doing work.
On May 04 2018 02:00 Yorbon wrote: I approve if it's as hilarious as this: + Show Spoiler +
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pelujKaSB50
Wtf is that custom skin at the end of the video, is that supposed to be a bat? A moose? It looks hilarious. And the channel is pretty funny, something else to watch instead of doing work.
On May 04 2018 22:24 739 wrote: After all that time I had LoL break - and I think it's over a year or even more - I've tried to log in and play couple of games but it seems that
1. My account was stolen 2. The guy who stole my account got permabanned, judging by all the emails I've got from Rito.
On May 04 2018 22:24 739 wrote: After all that time I had LoL break - and I think it's over a year or even more - I've tried to log in and play couple of games but it seems that
1. My account was stolen 2. The guy who stole my account got permabanned, judging by all the emails I've got from Rito.
RIP my account with so many skins and shit :\
You can't get it back?
05.11.2016 I've reported to support that my account got stolen. Support said that some of my answers according to the account were not true and therefore they cannot retrieve the account for me.
Next I see that the guy who stole my account got perma banned as he opened some support tickets (screenshot below) and he won't get unbanned (toxicity, lol)
I've asked again for account retrieval but I doubt they will do anything for me. Do we have any Riot friends? ^^
On May 04 2018 22:24 739 wrote: After all that time I had LoL break - and I think it's over a year or even more - I've tried to log in and play couple of games but it seems that
1. My account was stolen 2. The guy who stole my account got permabanned, judging by all the emails I've got from Rito.
RIP my account with so many skins and shit :\
You can't get it back?
05.11.2016 I've reported to support that my account got stolen. Support said that some of my answers according to the account were not true and therefore they cannot retrieve the account for me.
Next I see that the guy who stole my account got perma banned as he opened some support tickets (screenshot below) and he won't get unbanned (toxicity, lol)
I've asked again for account retrieval but I doubt they will do anything for me. Do we have any Riot friends? ^^
On May 04 2018 22:24 739 wrote: After all that time I had LoL break - and I think it's over a year or even more - I've tried to log in and play couple of games but it seems that
1. My account was stolen 2. The guy who stole my account got permabanned, judging by all the emails I've got from Rito.
RIP my account with so many skins and shit :\
You can't get it back?
05.11.2016 I've reported to support that my account got stolen. Support said that some of my answers according to the account were not true and therefore they cannot retrieve the account for me.
Next I see that the guy who stole my account got perma banned as he opened some support tickets (screenshot below) and he won't get unbanned (toxicity, lol)
I've asked again for account retrieval but I doubt they will do anything for me. Do we have any Riot friends? ^^
On May 04 2018 22:24 739 wrote: After all that time I had LoL break - and I think it's over a year or even more - I've tried to log in and play couple of games but it seems that
1. My account was stolen 2. The guy who stole my account got permabanned, judging by all the emails I've got from Rito.
RIP my account with so many skins and shit :\
You can't get it back?
05.11.2016 I've reported to support that my account got stolen. Support said that some of my answers according to the account were not true and therefore they cannot retrieve the account for me.
Next I see that the guy who stole my account got perma banned as he opened some support tickets (screenshot below) and he won't get unbanned (toxicity, lol)
I've asked again for account retrieval but I doubt they will do anything for me. Do we have any Riot friends? ^^
I would have thought that credit card info would be the ultimate proof of account ownership, the chances of someone stealing your card just to break into a LoL account is pretty damn low. Mention it specifically in your support ticket.
I hate security questions, I can never remember them. Even worse is that for some of them I use fake answers, so if I don't remember I'll never get it right.
They can just check the IP history for that, and when he got his reports if they have that info. If he brings up how much money he's spent on the game, a bit of whining in the right place, he might be able to pull it off.
Let's see what will happen I've asked them for IP check, handed my credit card information, specified which exactly skins I do own on the account and whom I had on friends lists. Will keep you all informed ^_^
If that won't work that will be sad but I'll just let it go.
Is it even worth playing League at this moment? I haven't followed the scene for over a year, I've seen many changes with some neutral minions that makes u jump when u click on it and that champions textures were updated.
On May 05 2018 01:16 DarkCore wrote: They can just check the IP history for that, and when he got his reports if they have that info. If he brings up how much money he's spent on the game, a bit of whining in the right place, he might be able to pull it off.
I dont think IP History will do much since he could have moved to another country for the period it was being abused. Maybe see if Riot will accept it if you can get your ISP to write a short notice that confirm you have been a customer and used their service for that period?
On May 05 2018 01:29 739 wrote: Let's see what will happen I've asked them for IP check, handed my credit card information, specified which exactly skins I do own on the account and whom I had on friends lists. Will keep you all informed ^_^
If that won't work that will be sad but I'll just let it go.
Is it even worth playing League at this moment? I haven't followed the scene for over a year, I've seen many changes with some neutral minions that makes u jump when u click on it and that champions textures were updated.
IMO it's in a better state than it was a ~1 year, the blast cones (jump thingies) adds a lot of fun and is in general an interesting dynamic.
On May 05 2018 01:16 DarkCore wrote: They can just check the IP history for that, and when he got his reports if they have that info. If he brings up how much money he's spent on the game, a bit of whining in the right place, he might be able to pull it off.
I dont think IP History will do much since he could have moved to another country for the period it was being abused. Maybe see if Riot will accept it if you can get your ISP to write a short notice that confirm you have been a customer and used their service for that period?
On May 05 2018 01:29 739 wrote: Let's see what will happen I've asked them for IP check, handed my credit card information, specified which exactly skins I do own on the account and whom I had on friends lists. Will keep you all informed ^_^
If that won't work that will be sad but I'll just let it go.
Is it even worth playing League at this moment? I haven't followed the scene for over a year, I've seen many changes with some neutral minions that makes u jump when u click on it and that champions textures were updated.
IMO it's in a better state than it was a ~1 year, the blast cones (jump thingies) adds a lot of fun and is in general an interesting dynamic.
Well, I do have invoices from ISP so that should be fine.
On May 05 2018 01:16 DarkCore wrote: They can just check the IP history for that, and when he got his reports if they have that info. If he brings up how much money he's spent on the game, a bit of whining in the right place, he might be able to pull it off.
I dont think IP History will do much since he could have moved to another country for the period it was being abused. Maybe see if Riot will accept it if you can get your ISP to write a short notice that confirm you have been a customer and used their service for that period?
On May 05 2018 01:29 739 wrote: Let's see what will happen I've asked them for IP check, handed my credit card information, specified which exactly skins I do own on the account and whom I had on friends lists. Will keep you all informed ^_^
If that won't work that will be sad but I'll just let it go.
Is it even worth playing League at this moment? I haven't followed the scene for over a year, I've seen many changes with some neutral minions that makes u jump when u click on it and that champions textures were updated.
IMO it's in a better state than it was a ~1 year, the blast cones (jump thingies) adds a lot of fun and is in general an interesting dynamic.
Well, I do have invoices from ISP so that should be fine.
Let's see what will they answer.
Crossing my fingers! My contact with their support has in general been good. Only time it was a hassle was when I had some issues with not receiving a skin when they reworked runes (already had them), it took some time to convince the support I did in fact own some of them prior to the give-away. My huge skin purchase history eventually convinced them - that or they just got fed up dealing with a persistent dane.
It's funny how they're asking me for list of 5 champions I've bought first and list of champions I've bought for certain prize, lmao. I say, you know guys, I've made the account years ago, CBA to remember such things. Then they asked for card number and possibly e-mails with purchase confirmations (which I do not own obviously) and some other stuff. Let's see what will happen
Asking for champions for an old account is such a dumb thing to do, unless it's a trick question where they see how the possible scammer reacts.
They send emails for purchase confirmations? I haven't actually bought anything in this game in years, been content with slowly acquiring skins with the loot system. I have skins for most champions I care about anyway, perks of an ancient account.
On May 05 2018 20:38 DarkCore wrote: Asking for champions for an old account is such a dumb thing to do, unless it's a trick question where they see how the possible scammer reacts.
They send emails for purchase confirmations? I haven't actually bought anything in this game in years, been content with slowly acquiring skins with the loot system. I have skins for most champions I care about anyway, perks of an ancient account.
I remember one time I had an issue, I forget what for, and they asked me what the first skin & champion I bought was. I don't think you have to know the exact answer.
They said that they have dedicated team if it comes to Billings and Payments and they forwarded my case to them and they will contact me soon - probably to ask few more questions !
Well the Camille losing streak continues and I’ve gone from playing normals with mostly gold and silver to playing normals with high bronze low silver. I am winning some games now (slightly less than every other game rather than losing them all).
But I’ve played enouph games to notice some trends. When I get a gank level 3 or 4 and it gets a kill my team almost always wins. When I don’t get any ganks my team almost always loses.
I’ve watched 30+ladder Camille games from Khan, Smeb, and Thal, and they always get early midgame ganks from their teams, often multiple ganks. It’s hard for me to know if this is because Camille really benefits from the ganks, or if people on Korean solo queue just know that Khan / Smeb is going to be the best player on their team and that’s who should get the ganks.
So I suppose my question now is, can Camille function as an island champion without team support? Do I just need to learn the champ better, or should I be looking for a champ that’s more self sufficient and relies less on the team. For example, on the AP side, you can play Vlad and even if you never get a single gank and get camped most of the game, you still stay at decent heath and reach a point where you can single handedly blow up the back line late game. Is there an AD champ that’s more “Vladlike” than Camille?
It also has to do with the fact that people at higher elos know when to gank. In my own normals, which range from lv 5 to D2, it is painfully obvious how good your jungler is simply by if they gank pre 6 somewhere or not. And top is a good lane to gank, tanks don't have that much health early, red buff burns through them quickly. You shouldn't try to infer too much from high elo games, KR junglers go for ganks just to set the enemy behind in lvs and deny farm, in your own games that doesn't matter when your laner can't translate a camp into a lane win.
Camille is a pretty insanely strong champion in soloQ, you own a lot of matchups if you knows her mechanics well. You can also play aggressive because her E is a decent escape, and diving when she has ult is risky. She scales well into the lategame no matter how far she gets set behind. Obviously it can be hard to win lane when you get camped, but dealing with that is a general game skill, not really tied to Camille herself.
You can't really rely on jungler or team to gank for top lane. In fact I say in soloQ it's often better if they just focus on bot/mid side. I find the most success is just playing it safe top with good vision and only really pushing advantage when you got clear go. Camille is great for this since she has such good engage with hookshot and solid scaling. Don't try play it like you see pros do, you don't have the support. The beauty of camille is that she is so good at collapsing compared to other splitpushers like Fiora so you always have this option open to you. If the team isn't doing much on your lane you can move to make things happen on other lanes.
Winning games is less about "how do I just solo carry" and more about figuring your best role in the situation. Sometimes that means playing backseat to your team, just playing safe letting them get the ball rolling. Sometimes that means sacrificing some pressure to create a play on the opposite side. Sometimes that means sitting in your lane bodying your lane opponent. Maybe just try watch your games and see if there's more you could be doing.
On May 06 2018 08:30 General_Winter wrote: Well the Camille losing streak continues and I’ve gone from playing normals with mostly gold and silver to playing normals with high bronze low silver. I am winning some games now (slightly less than every other game rather than losing them all).
But I’ve played enouph games to notice some trends. When I get a gank level 3 or 4 and it gets a kill my team almost always wins. When I don’t get any ganks my team almost always loses.
I’ve watched 30+ladder Camille games from Khan, Smeb, and Thal, and they always get early midgame ganks from their teams, often multiple ganks. It’s hard for me to know if this is because Camille really benefits from the ganks, or if people on Korean solo queue just know that Khan / Smeb is going to be the best player on their team and that’s who should get the ganks.
So I suppose my question now is, can Camille function as an island champion without team support? Do I just need to learn the champ better, or should I be looking for a champ that’s more self sufficient and relies less on the team. For example, on the AP side, you can play Vlad and even if you never get a single gank and get camped most of the game, you still stay at decent heath and reach a point where you can single handedly blow up the back line late game. Is there an AD champ that’s more “Vladlike” than Camille?
All splitpushers benefit immensely from ganks, the whole point of them is to reach critical mass where nobody can contain them, in the early game just being a longsword ahead can be enough. The earlier this happens the better for the entire team. Gangplank is probably the most similar to Vlad, but he's sort of soft to ganks early.
So after providing credit card number and account details, they've said that informations I've provided are incomplete or some of them are not true and they won't give me back my account haha >D
Lol i had this experience with my bank when I was jacked. It took me forever to prove that I had not moved thousands of miles. And that the address was not really.mine, they kept trying to get me to verify with it. Lucky I had a home branch who knew me.
Oh man, that sucks. Are you making a new account? In that case it'd be totally worth buying a boosted account, even if it's not allowed. I've been trying to level a smurf for years, and it's just not worth my time and the amount of flaming/afking/trolling I have to put up with in sub lv 30.
On May 06 2018 17:57 DarkCore wrote: Oh man, that sucks. Are you making a new account? In that case it'd be totally worth buying a boosted account, even if it's not allowed. I've been trying to level a smurf for years, and it's just not worth my time and the amount of flaming/afking/trolling I have to put up with in sub lv 30.
I know it's easier, it what I was trying to do at the start, but it's still very time consuming, And incredibly boring, not to mention getting bots on your own side that run it down mid.
Yeah it's boring but if you have a free day or two and are willing to put a tenner on the xp boosts you can easily do it in less than a week with the quicker levelling system
Nah, I'm giving up. Providing details of every single skin you own + credit card number and some other useful info is not enough for support, what a joke, lmao.
I won't make a new account, especially since games tend to last at least 25-30min + on average, I don't have time to level up a new account. Also 0 champions owned, so that's another disadvantage.
I'll ask someone around if they have an account to share, so I can play like 2-3 games every 2nd or 3rd day, cause I'm just a casual nowadays >.<
Dude, I haven't played League for over a year. I think I've left somewhere around Kindred was introduced or something close to that. I know he was the last champion revealed
Leveling up new account is not for me, I don't have that much time. Would be neat to get already lvl30 account with some nice champion pool or some IPs to buy those who interests me (Lux, Gragas mainly and couple of those new ones)
On May 06 2018 17:57 DarkCore wrote: Oh man, that sucks. Are you making a new account? In that case it'd be totally worth buying a boosted account, even if it's not allowed. I've been trying to level a smurf for years, and it's just not worth my time and the amount of flaming/afking/trolling I have to put up with in sub lv 30.
ARAM in sub 30 is not fun at all, people are literally brain dead and the games are very low quality. Like you might think Frozen Mallet Ashe might be funny once or twice, but seeing it every game because people legit think it's a good item on her is frustrating.
Also, queue times can get very long. I've waited 10+ min for a 15 min stomp.
On May 07 2018 02:32 Slusher wrote: I don’t think even know why leveling is in the game anymore, should be able to q as soon as you buy 20 champions
I think it’s so bans matter. It’s a free to play game, so if you could just create a new account and start playing again then getting banned wouldn’t be scary. And then people would be even more aweful than they are. Leveling is enough of an annoyance that people try to not get banned.
On May 07 2018 00:10 739 wrote: Would be neat to get already lvl30 account with some nice champion pool or some IPs to buy those who interests me (Lux, Gragas mainly and couple of those new ones)
I actually have a lvl 30 account I haven't used for ages. If you're still looking for one I could give you the information and you can have a look at the champions. There's about 20 champs on it, unfortunately none of the ones you're looking for.
Yeah, if Rito doesn't give your account back, then don't waste time leveling some dumb account, just buy it. And if they ban you, then you've only lost like $10 or so, which compared to the time you have to spend to level up is completely worth it.
So I’m mostly been playing champs that don’t run spellbook (mostly sorcery or domination trees), but I finally got a chance to play the new spellbook last night and I really liked it.
I started flash ignite and used the ignite to get a kill in a gank that turned into a 2v2. Then I pushed wave walked into their jg to deep ward and switched to tp and tped to lane after backing. Then I used flash to dodge a gank and switched to ghost right after burning flash and used ghost to evade the follow up gank.
It felt really good. Really strong like my summons were on a 10 second cooldown. Yeah I didn’t have my two starting summons back up ten seconds after a gank, but I stilll had two summons up. Even second tier summons are still pretty strong. Lane felt very safe and and that safety let me press my advantage pushing all the way to tower where I would normally not want to press past river.
Has anyone else gotten to play much with the new spellbook? What did you think of it?
i prefer the old spellbook tbh. i took spellbook on almost every champ that wants ghost from mid game, but now thats impossible unless ghost is your starting spell. not having ignite or tp is pretty bad for lane and the first swap takes a while so... the new spellbook definitely fits riots design plans more but no one played the old spellbook according to those plans so it sucks for me.
I'm absolutely awful at him, but i just kill everything. LOL. Like I sit there and cringe watching myself play him.... i farm poorly with kncokbacks and AoE, I misstep and get caught all game, micro shotgun shells poorly, and just generally fuck up mechanically all game; generally speaking i just suck at doing graves things and feel terrible.... and then the game ends and I realize I have 10 kills and dealt 30k+ damage.
I've seen someone get killed twice on Mundo, go Sunfire into PD and own the lane, went like 9/4 end game, take of that what you will. granted the game was lost by everyone else, but without an early Executioner we couldn't touch him.
I mean, Mundo is in a good place right now IMO (since people aren't just Morellosing all the time). Considering how much good CC and altered buildpaths can shut him down, his overall power is more than justified.
I played against Mundo recently. After he finished spirit visage, he was pretty unkillable until I had both morellos and void staff, which wasn't until 4 items, but after that he fell off and was both kiteable and killable.
Still a power spike from 1-4 items is pretty long for a power spike. It doesn't really have a spike shape. By contrast if you compare normal EZ to a normal crit ADC, EZ is stronger at 2 items but worse at 3. Thats a more reasonable looking power spike.
Yeah, interesting to see if pros will run him. He's quite good at wearing out tanks in lane, and when he gets ahead he's pretty terrifying in midgame fights, literally unkillable unless someone running ignite. Only downside is he brings no CC besides a slow, but then again, neither does Olaf.
On May 11 2018 15:55 cLutZ wrote: I mean, Mundo is in a good place right now IMO (since people aren't just Morellosing all the time). Considering how much good CC and altered buildpaths can shut him down, his overall power is more than justified.
good joke damn i was telling people mundo was really good since they've been buffing him for a while but everyone ignored him and then they just double his ult strength from nowhere
On May 11 2018 15:55 cLutZ wrote: I mean, Mundo is in a good place right now IMO (since people aren't just Morellosing all the time). Considering how much good CC and altered buildpaths can shut him down, his overall power is more than justified.
On May 13 2018 09:27 cLutZ wrote: It seems I should expect a bunch of blind pick Mundo when this his the pros. I don't expect as much, but am excited to be proven wrong.
I don’t know. I feel like pros are more able to work around unkillable until 4 items than solo queue. Either they just force the game to go really late (I think Jin Air has shown that if you want to make the game go late every time you can). Or they just work around it. Put someone to waveclear in Mundo’s lane and just accept nothing happens and try to win the 4v4 elsewhere. Or maybe put someone global in his lane like Shen and hope to get more in the 5v4 then Mundo gets in the 1v0. Unkillable is good, but I don’t think it’s dominant at a pro level.
if I remember right when he was first teased he was going to be "an engage support that's darker than most of the supports" (like Lulu/Rakan/etc who are all happy and shit)
On May 15 2018 03:53 chipmonklord17 wrote: if I remember right when he was first teased he was going to be "an engage support that's darker than most of the supports" (like Lulu/Rakan/etc who are all happy and shit)
I didn't read anything, just basing it on his kit. The camouflage part and Q are both great for ganks, and a gank post six snowballs both the lane and the jungler.
The clear speed will probably be a weakness though.
I dont see how the kit works as a support. All 4 of his spells look oriented towards roams/ganks, and he obviously has to be less tanky than Leona, who has the most similar support kit. If his waveclear is decent, midlane actually looks like a decent spot. You could use W similar to Taliah.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Pyke have like 3 gap closers, and a pull ability? Mobility creep has reached a new level lol. Makes balancing impossible, either he's meta asf, or Riot nerfs him into the ground because his base kit is too good.
On May 15 2018 07:21 DarkCore wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Pyke have like 3 gap closers, and a pull ability? Mobility creep has reached a new level lol. Makes balancing impossible, either he's meta asf, or Riot nerfs him into the ground because his base kit is too good.
If you played him top lane that gold share might be enough to actually temp jungle to give top lane ganks. But all that mobility would make him pretty safe even in a pushed lane. And he would be good at roaming mid. Depends on waveclear though. But in toplane you probably have the gold to buy Tiamat which solves the waveclear problem.
His passive seems to make him super weak to other assassins, especially when behind. It's also strange because it makes Doran items terrible on him, and that kind of implies his first lvs in solo lanes would be beyond awful. Unless playing him support legit works, looks like a rework to me.
That or Riot buffs the shit out of his numbers, like they did with Kai'sa.