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On February 25 2018 06:04 iCanada wrote: That champ still exists though, just not as Quinn.
You could just as easily play like AD leblanc or Vayne in the same spot. Speaking of which, everyone needs to play as A leblanc in to Nasus at least once in their lives. Fun game. Cant the Nasus just do what Sion does in the supposedly "hard" match-ups. Start Dorans Ring with Aery instead of Comet and Biscuit Delivery and turn themself into a "poke melee mage" and meme all over the squishy no sustain ranged champ.
With Time Warp Tonic (get Corrupting Potion on first buy) I guess this is going to be even more oppressive.
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On February 25 2018 06:42 iCanada wrote:AD Leblanc is actually pretty legit top in the right matchups. http://na.op.gg/champion/leblanc/statistics/topIf you take out the 30 AP Leblanc games with a 40% winrate, you can deduce in 30 games AD leblanc has a winrate of like 70%. Leblanc isn't a good AD champion, but she is a champion that exists in the game, unlike the glorified melee minion the Nasus across from her is. Its also much scarier than Jayce in that matchup because you can gank the Jayce, but you can't gank the leblanc. And early game before you get half an item, all of LB's damage is magic so a lot of player will buy a null-magic as their leblanc opponent comes back with a BF sword. I guarantee that lane is 100x worse than anything Quinn could ever do to Nasus. 69% winrate on PTA Leblanc top in 32 games. According to every analysis I can find, thats the same winrate as playing 5v4 for 15 minutes. AD Leblanc is no joke.
There was an AD LB Top 1-trick in KR that was like high masters at one time haha.
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On February 25 2018 11:56 Jek wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2018 06:04 iCanada wrote: That champ still exists though, just not as Quinn.
You could just as easily play like AD leblanc or Vayne in the same spot. Speaking of which, everyone needs to play as A leblanc in to Nasus at least once in their lives. Fun game. Cant the Nasus just do what Sion does in the supposedly "hard" match-ups. Start Dorans Ring with Aery instead of Comet and Biscuit Delivery and turn themself into a "poke melee mage" and meme all over the squishy no sustain ranged champ. With Time Warp Tonic (get Corrupting Potion on first buy) I guess this is going to be even more oppressive.
I think Nasus is a bad example. Nasus doesn't even have a bad laning phase anymore. His ult got so overbuffed that as soon as he hits 6 he can survive most things if he has a brain.
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So I think Amumu is actually pretty decent right now against level 3 junglers being played that dont take Wraiths. You can reliably get the first 3 spawns. Easy 2-3 level lead, his early game is pretty strong in these scenarios because you get out of it so fast
New AP items are pretty decent on him too. But he gets railed on otherwise, dont pick him into literally anything that can kill the chickens. Realistically like Kayn / Eve / Shyv / Nid / Reksai / Jax all better even against Jungles that can't clear chickens...
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On February 25 2018 16:37 iCanada wrote: So I think Amumu is actually pretty decent right now against level 3 junglers being played that dont take Wraiths. You can reliably get the first 3 spawns. Easy 2-3 level lead, his early game is pretty strong in these scenarios because you get out of it so fast
New AP items are pretty decent on him too. But he gets railed on otherwise, dont pick him into literally anything that can kill the chickens. Realistically like Kayn / Eve / Shyv / Nid / Reksai / Jax all better even against Jungles that can't clear chickens... I am fairly confused by what you are saying aside from the champs not to pick him into.
Amumu is, generally, always good against people that dont shit on him pre-6, what has changed so that Lee and Elise cant just kill you in your jungle?
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On February 25 2018 16:41 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2018 16:37 iCanada wrote: So I think Amumu is actually pretty decent right now against level 3 junglers being played that dont take Wraiths. You can reliably get the first 3 spawns. Easy 2-3 level lead, his early game is pretty strong in these scenarios because you get out of it so fast
New AP items are pretty decent on him too. But he gets railed on otherwise, dont pick him into literally anything that can kill the chickens. Realistically like Kayn / Eve / Shyv / Nid / Reksai / Jax all better even against Jungles that can't clear chickens... I am fairly confused by what you are saying aside from the champs not to pick him into. Amumu is, generally, always good against people that dont shit on him pre-6, what has changed so that Lee and Elise cant just kill you in your jungle?
Chickens strong as hell, whoever gets more Chickens wins the jungle almost all the time. Mumu kills chickens very very well.
Thats pretty much my point. Lol.
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On February 25 2018 16:59 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2018 16:41 cLutZ wrote:On February 25 2018 16:37 iCanada wrote: So I think Amumu is actually pretty decent right now against level 3 junglers being played that dont take Wraiths. You can reliably get the first 3 spawns. Easy 2-3 level lead, his early game is pretty strong in these scenarios because you get out of it so fast
New AP items are pretty decent on him too. But he gets railed on otherwise, dont pick him into literally anything that can kill the chickens. Realistically like Kayn / Eve / Shyv / Nid / Reksai / Jax all better even against Jungles that can't clear chickens... I am fairly confused by what you are saying aside from the champs not to pick him into. Amumu is, generally, always good against people that dont shit on him pre-6, what has changed so that Lee and Elise cant just kill you in your jungle? Chickens strong as hell, whoever gets more Chickens wins the jungle almost all the time. Mumu kills chickens very very well. Thats pretty much my point. Lol.
So you are saying that I can Amumu into Elise because level advantage?
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On February 25 2018 17:29 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2018 16:59 iCanada wrote:On February 25 2018 16:41 cLutZ wrote:On February 25 2018 16:37 iCanada wrote: So I think Amumu is actually pretty decent right now against level 3 junglers being played that dont take Wraiths. You can reliably get the first 3 spawns. Easy 2-3 level lead, his early game is pretty strong in these scenarios because you get out of it so fast
New AP items are pretty decent on him too. But he gets railed on otherwise, dont pick him into literally anything that can kill the chickens. Realistically like Kayn / Eve / Shyv / Nid / Reksai / Jax all better even against Jungles that can't clear chickens... I am fairly confused by what you are saying aside from the champs not to pick him into. Amumu is, generally, always good against people that dont shit on him pre-6, what has changed so that Lee and Elise cant just kill you in your jungle? Chickens strong as hell, whoever gets more Chickens wins the jungle almost all the time. Mumu kills chickens very very well. Thats pretty much my point. Lol. So you are saying that I can Amumu into Elise because level advantage?
I wouldn't. Elise does chickens ok. I don't think Elise just kills you btw, she too overnerfed. That said I havn't actually played the matchups, could be wrong.
I would pick him into like Trundle, Kindred, Shaco, Rengar, Warwick, Graves, Volibear... if I had a duo I'd pick him Khazix as well TBH. So thats like 37% of all jungle picks. I've only played it into Warwick and Rengar, but felt alright. I first ran into it playing as WW, thought I would just ram it up his butthole, but its actually hard to punish because Amumu gets a pretty big XP lead.
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I'm pretty sure that start only works in silver soloq because all of those champs will just kill you, especially if the enemy midlaner has half a brain. On top of that he shouldn't get a big xp lead off it if you play it properly either. It's often not even the right thing to do on champs that are stronger 1v1 than Amumu, plus at the end of the day you're playing Amumu instead of Sejuani.
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On February 25 2018 18:08 Fildun wrote: I'm pretty sure that start only works in silver soloq because all of those champs will just kill you, especially if the enemy midlaner has half a brain. On top of that he shouldn't get a big xp lead off it if you play it properly either. It's often not even the right thing to do on champs that are stronger 1v1 than Amumu, plus at the end of the day you're playing Amumu instead of Sejuani.
What start exactly?
You either get their chickens because they are making a level 3 play and are way ahead from chickens or they dont make plays than snowball the game before you're in it. I'm not sure what your point is.
They can only just kill you if you don't start opposite to them, and if your laners don't rotate / have priority.
I agree, Sej is 100% better. But Amumu is more fun. Just saying there are a lot of meta junglers right now that dont take Raptors right away, and Raptors are hella good, and Amumu is really good at taking them. I never said anything about some sort of cookie cutter start. I just think this is the most viable Mumu has been in a long time. Solid T3 with a decent amount of winnable matchups.
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With start I mean first jungle clear path, and given you're talking about doing this during the level 3 plays the other jungler might make I assume you're taking the enemy chickens during your first clear. If so I'd like to know what that clear exactly is. Now if I read correctly you're taking them again later on, but we'll leave that be for now.
Now in order for them to not kill you, you have to be blue side and your laners have to have priority, which is approximately 10% of games.
On top of that, given that the enemy jungler wasn't planning on taking the chickens anyway you're not really setting them behind, given that they get catchup xp if they do get the second spawn. You're also losing all gank, counter-gank and river pressure for the first four and a half minutes of the game.
Also, jungle matchups are a meme and don't mean anything.
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I feel like you're reading a lot more into what I said than what I actually said. I'm not advocating some fixed route.
A lot of junglers buff-camp-buff-gank with no thought in soloqueue, and a lot of these junglers. This is very frequently this means you can safely just interrupt your route and insta-take enemy raptors on Mummy. Getting the extra raptors instead of a different camp gives you a big lead which ameliorates your early game weakness. Thats all I'm saying. I'm not saying go run at their raptors blindly, I'm saying the fact that 37% of soloQ players having a high chance of ignoring raptors then showing on the map means you often just get raptors.
Mumu has no counter-gank or river pressure regardless.
And catchup xp or no, raptors are a big deal. Its why Warwick isn't the best jungler in the game, and definitely why no one ever picks him in competitive. Usually barring huge kill snowballs or plays, the jungler that gets the most raptors is just the biggest and has more influence over the game. Thats the whole jungle role right now, a raptor mini-game.
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Soooo, what do I max first on AD Leblanc and is Triforce into crit the correct build? Which runes? Precision (fleet footwork) - domination?
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I feel like they may have overtuned Darius and Viktor
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One of my favourite items, Shurelya's is returning!
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is spellbinder working as intended atm? i had a game where my spellbinder charges rapidly hit 100 while i was sitting in base and walking to lane. literally climbing like 3 charges/second. other times im actually in fights and the charges dont go above like 30 something
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Ok. More math results. The rework changes a lot of items in a way that heightens some specific strengths at the expense of reducing AP and other pure damage outputs. It also changes a lot of build paths so items build out of one highly efficient item and one les efficient item.
The upshot of this is that for champs with high AP ratios the best build path (in terms of maximizing damage and gold efficiency at each point along the path) has changed. You don’t want to rush your first item anymore. I think you want to build the more efficient competent of your first item, then build a needlessly large rod, then finish your first item. The NLR is just a much better damage item then less efficient components or even most completed items post rework. Then after you have your first item you buy a second NLR and get hat. Hat is pretty much always the most efficient second item for damage now.
Edit: rereading that I’m now wondering if you should get two NLRs before finishing first item. I’ll go back and double check math in that.
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I've been seeing a lot of mids buying two NLR first, I wondered why, your math will be interesting.
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Man...is it just me or does new Swain suck?
All of his skills except Q seem like a shittier version of his previous skills...
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