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GBM went on NiceGameTV’s talkshow “Come to LoL/Play” (it’s a bad Korean pun), where the four hosts goaded him to talk shit about NRG and NA LCS. Though GBM made a few cowardly diplomatic responses, he complied gleefully at other times. It’s worth noting that that even though plenty of shit was dealt, the hosts also enjoyed burning GBM constantly, and he was quite self deprecating.
Anyway, here are some highlights from the 2 hour+ show, shamelessly focusing on the juicy bits.
Suffering on NRG
“What did I do in America? The guys didn’t want keep track of summoners, so I did all the summoner spell checking. The guys didn’t want to initiate so I did the initiating. The guy on the team who was the worst at English was scrambling to get things done somehow.”
On Jin Air, he focused on farming and carrying in team fights. In America, he had to focus on initiating, doing all of the summoner spell checks when people asked (constantly copy/pasting in chat), keeping track of jungle pathing, calling teleport plays, and all sorts of detailed shot calling/advice depending on the situation. One day he was trying to do all that while farming, and he didn’t even notice his HP getting chunked off mid.
GBM had the 2nd least deaths when playing in Korea, and he went up to most deaths in NA LCS, because no one wanted to initiate. Style wise, top lane disliked initiating, and the jungler was very concerned with self-preservation. Jungle actually had the 2nd least deaths, despite the team being in last place. He couldn’t understand it.
NRG didn’t understand things from a player perspective, and GBM thinks all teams need an ex-player in the front office. The owner of NRG just picked the players willy nilly. After Spring Split, he came to GBM and asked “Who do you want to cut? I’ll construct the team you want around you. How about Santorin and Kiwikid?” GBM replied they absolutely shouldn’t bring them on. “Already contracted.” Similar promises were given after Summer, but the team just disappeared ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
On Kiwikid
Storytime: They’re trying to scrim, but there’s someone behind GBM playing Overwatch ladder. Someone “good at Zyra.” They’re in pick bans, talking through their options, Viktor, Shen, etc, and out of nowhere he hears “MERCY DOWN! MERCY DOWN!” He looks behind him and this gorilla (Winston) is smacking shit around.
GBM said he doesn’t dislike Kiwikid, he actually likes him a lot as a person. Just that it was iffy to work with him professionally.
“Kiwikid was at least decent at Alistair, though it was kinda half-half, a lottery.”
On Santorin
Santorin is a really nice kid, and GBM feels bad for him because he struggled to make any progress. The team even brought on a psychologist to help him out and set incremental goals for improvement. That actually helped him to get better, and GBM was proud of it. Alas, it was too late in the season to help NRG. Still, GBM would be willing to play with Santorin again. Kiwikid, not so much.
NA ladder is garbage
“Solo-queue there is garbage. It’s not an environment where you can practice.”
Description of NA ladder: No one surrenders in NA, they just group up and fight, and the guys with better mechanics win. That’s all. To paraphrase: “There’s a guy called Goldenglue who hit #1, who played on TL, he’s really bad. If you get #1 on Korea, you have this aura around you, no matter who it is.”
Storytime 2: He had given up on laddering toward the end of Summer Split because the situation was so bleak. The team wasn’t motivated at all and it didn’t seem like there was a point. He would just put Game of Thrones on one monitor, play LoL on the other, AND alt-tab to play Maple Story. He hit 300 points Master anyway.
Advice from Impact
GBM went to NA LCS because he wanted to take advantage of the weak scene. However, Impact gave him some advice: it’s not the Koreans who are important, it’s the Americans who are the most important. The gap between Koreans isn’t going to change, but the difference between the American players is like that between D5 and Challenger on Korea. GBM doubted that the difference could actually be that big, but once he got there...
Shameless IMT gossip
GBM heard somewhere IMT was ruined toward the end of the season because of Overwatch.
This sounded smart but I don’t know if it means anything
TSM is a team where the mid and ADC control the Jungle and support, not the other way around. That’s why they have a ceiling in the end. (This show was recorded between weeks 1 & 2 of Worlds)
GBM’s dream team
When asked to make a select five players to make his ideal squad to win Worlds, GBM picked Smeb, Peanut, Rookie, Pray, and Mata. He included himself as a sub, citing his excellent dishwashing and massage skills.
People he said nice(?) things about:
Hai: In relation to talking about perhaps becoming a multi-position player himself, GBM credited Hai for being someone who was excellent at taking care of his team, despite his poor laning as a mid.
Bjerg: Bjergsen was really bad in Spring, so GBM considered TSM a free win that split. But in summer, Bjerg came back as a totally different person.
Darshan: Darshan is good, smart player. Watching him split push stubbornly is like watching Shy. Normally you mind-game the top laner to use his TP or not, but he just keeps pushing.
Huhi: Huhi knows how to use Aurelion Sol perfectly, how to deal damage and how to get out. His laning is really weak but good at teamfights, he felt he could dodge his skills and crush him no matter what he played.
Blank: GBM said Blank was good, but the fit was poor. He would have been better with an defensive mid like Kuro or Easyhoon, rather than faker.
Bengi: Bengi is still really good. When you play him you realize he’s a really intelligent guy. GBM suspects there must be an out-of-game reason if he’s not playing.
Jensen: GBM faced Jensen a lot in mid, and thinks he’s a lunatic, but in a way he likes. If he was the C9 jungler, he thinks he could channel Jensen’s aggression well and cover for him (this was one of his many shameless pitches to other pro teams. “Impact, I’ll see you soon!”).
Rookie: As mentioned above, GBM put Rookie as the mid for his dream team. GBM learned the most from Rookie and Faker as pros. Even though Rookie didn’t get to worlds this year, GBM thinks he’s extremely good.
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"How about Santorin and Kiwikid?” GBM replied they absolutely shouldn’t bring them on. “Already contracted.”"
Welcome to NA, enjoy your stay. Hahaha.
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“What did I do in America? The guys didn’t want keep track of summoners, so I did all the summoner spell checking. The guys didn’t want to initiate so I did the initiating. The guy on the team who was the worst at English was scrambling to get things done somehow.” Idk about this part but imo he was the worst or maybe 2nd worst performing player on an already bad team. Worst stats out of all mid laners by a good margin. And that while occupying an import slot. It made me think he was trolling or not caring at all. He really has no room to talk.
Honestly after the last season I would be surprised if GBM gets to play professionally ever again.
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Reading is pretty hard, isn't it?
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On October 11 2016 22:39 Skitter wrote: Reading is pretty hard, isn't it? Writing as well I guess. Maybe you could elaborate.
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Learning how to read and understand what you've read will do more for you than I ever could <3
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On October 11 2016 22:35 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +“What did I do in America? The guys didn’t want keep track of summoners, so I did all the summoner spell checking. The guys didn’t want to initiate so I did the initiating. The guy on the team who was the worst at English was scrambling to get things done somehow.” Idk about this part but imo he was the worst or maybe 2nd worst performing player on an already bad team. Worst stats out of all mid laners by a good margin. And that while occupying an import slot. It made me think he was trolling or not caring at all. He really has no room to talk. Honestly after the last season I would be surprised if GBM gets to play professionally ever again.
DId you read a word he said ? He has to micromanage every player on the squad and keeping SS cd's as a midlaner. Stats go to shit if he has to engage as the midlaner.
GBM was proven to be a very solid mid with a half decent team, whereas everyone else on NRG only had the worst kinds of records.
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Overwatch is literally killing esports!!1
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TSM is a team where the mid and ADC control the Jungle and support, not the other way around. That’s why they have a ceiling in the end. (This show was recorded between weeks 1 & 2 of Worlds)
SKT's ceiling must be unfathomable then...
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Damn, I wish it was subbed,
The true lol show was hilarious.
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On October 11 2016 22:35 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +“What did I do in America? The guys didn’t want keep track of summoners, so I did all the summoner spell checking. The guys didn’t want to initiate so I did the initiating. The guy on the team who was the worst at English was scrambling to get things done somehow.” Idk about this part but imo he was the worst or maybe 2nd worst performing player on an already bad team. Worst stats out of all mid laners by a good margin. And that while occupying an import slot. It made me think he was trolling or not caring at all. He really has no room to talk. Honestly after the last season I would be surprised if GBM gets to play professionally ever again.
Yeah I think it's possible that he's just making excuses. It sounds believable but I'd like to hear what other players have to say about this first.
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Sounds like a comedy talk show. I would not read into it.
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On October 11 2016 23:09 MassacrisM wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2016 22:35 Redox wrote:“What did I do in America? The guys didn’t want keep track of summoners, so I did all the summoner spell checking. The guys didn’t want to initiate so I did the initiating. The guy on the team who was the worst at English was scrambling to get things done somehow.” Idk about this part but imo he was the worst or maybe 2nd worst performing player on an already bad team. Worst stats out of all mid laners by a good margin. And that while occupying an import slot. It made me think he was trolling or not caring at all. He really has no room to talk. Honestly after the last season I would be surprised if GBM gets to play professionally ever again. DId you read a word he said ? He has to micromanage every player on the squad and keeping SS cd's as a midlaner. Stats go to shit if he has to engage as the midlaner. Of course I read it. I just do not have any reason to take it at face value and I dont get why anyone else would lol. Because it is completely natural for anyone to come up with excuses when under-performing. And because you might have to keep track of a timer you can not lane anymore? Right.
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Impact was right!, but how did he think Meteos/Snacky was the solution himself? o_O
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On October 11 2016 23:49 St3MoR wrote: Impact was right!, but how did he think Meteos/Snacky was the solution himself? o_O Reminder that C9 is the only NA team still competing at Worlds.
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Can't believe kiwikid made good money with beeing a giant retard.
User was warned for this post (poor posting history)
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This post should be titled "GBM needs to be hired by Riot immediately to be the host of a show"
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On October 12 2016 00:01 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2016 23:49 St3MoR wrote: Impact was right!, but how did he think Meteos/Snacky was the solution himself? o_O Reminder that C9 is the only NA team still competing at Worlds.
By being dragged into Quarters by SKT.
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New York City13113 Posts
On October 12 2016 05:43 Disengaged wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2016 00:01 yamato77 wrote:On October 11 2016 23:49 St3MoR wrote: Impact was right!, but how did he think Meteos/Snacky was the solution himself? o_O Reminder that C9 is the only NA team still competing at Worlds. By being dragged into Quarters by SKT. Because Flash Wolves are worse at closing than a revolving door
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I just signed up to say
After reading I think the reader really hates GBM and has added/phrased/organized the translation in a way to make the reader antagonize GBM. Most translations I read are not biased and do not have the translators opinion in the translation itself. If they want to give their opinion they usually do it in a subsection or a different article.
Feels highly unprofessional. Salty much that he is talking about NA? I dont mind, even if I am a c9 fan. I believe mostly (NA pro's do play other games whereas korean's never play any game other than league even mobile games are not allowed during playoffs, etc) The way NRG played was GBM had to do everything, initiate, shot call, time spells, tell where the jgler is, etc
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On October 11 2016 23:31 Sent. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2016 22:35 Redox wrote:“What did I do in America? The guys didn’t want keep track of summoners, so I did all the summoner spell checking. The guys didn’t want to initiate so I did the initiating. The guy on the team who was the worst at English was scrambling to get things done somehow.” Idk about this part but imo he was the worst or maybe 2nd worst performing player on an already bad team. Worst stats out of all mid laners by a good margin. And that while occupying an import slot. It made me think he was trolling or not caring at all. He really has no room to talk. Honestly after the last season I would be surprised if GBM gets to play professionally ever again. Yeah I think it's possible that he's just making excuses. It sounds believable but I'd like to hear what other players have to say about this first.
Going by your knowledge process, Yeah I think it's "possible" that he is telling the truth.
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On October 12 2016 08:12 TheeCOOON wrote: Most translations I read are not biased and do not have the translators opinion in the translation itself.
Pretty pointed opinion considering it's just a matter of which translation you choose to believe and not based on your understanding oh what was actually said.
Wax isn't exactly a random new poster here.
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On October 12 2016 08:12 TheeCOOON wrote: I just signed up to say
After reading I think the reader really hates GBM and has added/phrased/organized the translation in a way to make the reader antagonize GBM. Most translations I read are not biased and do not have the translators opinion in the translation itself. If they want to give their opinion they usually do it in a subsection or a different article.
Feels highly unprofessional. Salty much that he is talking about NA? I dont mind, even if I am a c9 fan. I believe mostly (NA pro's do play other games whereas korean's never play any game other than league even mobile games are not allowed during playoffs, etc) The way NRG played was GBM had to do everything, initiate, shot call, time spells, tell where the jgler is, etc
I trust the translation carries the spirit of the conversation quite well. It is a talk show and the atmosphere is designed to be casual and fun.
I have no knowledge of Korean myself, but from my casual understanding of the Korean casters and pro scene, as well as what happens in Chinese casting, generally players will be very humble and polite in "official" matters, but the casters and hosts love to trash talk and encourage players to do the same in less formal settings.
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I watched parts of the video. The translation isn't trying to make GBM look worse. Like Zess said, t's pretty common for Koreans to be very candid and at times egotistical in these types of shows. Especially for guys like GBM, Piglet, Mata, etc.
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rookie actually gets a lot of praise from pros. dopa says he learnt a lot about laning from rookie and thinks rookies the best laner after himself
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Rookie is the best player in the LPL. He is like late 2014 Faker when it comes to backbreaking teammates. I would love if he went back to KT, but otherwise Snake, EDG, and IMay are all much better rosters with KR midlaners that he would be a straight upgrade for.
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On October 12 2016 09:43 Zess wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2016 08:12 TheeCOOON wrote: I just signed up to say
After reading I think the reader really hates GBM and has added/phrased/organized the translation in a way to make the reader antagonize GBM. Most translations I read are not biased and do not have the translators opinion in the translation itself. If they want to give their opinion they usually do it in a subsection or a different article.
Feels highly unprofessional. Salty much that he is talking about NA? I dont mind, even if I am a c9 fan. I believe mostly (NA pro's do play other games whereas korean's never play any game other than league even mobile games are not allowed during playoffs, etc) The way NRG played was GBM had to do everything, initiate, shot call, time spells, tell where the jgler is, etc
I trust the translation carries the spirit of the conversation quite well. It is a talk show and the atmosphere is designed to be casual and fun. I have no knowledge of Korean myself, but from my casual understanding of the Korean casters and pro scene, as well as what happens in Chinese casting, generally players will be very humble and polite in "official" matters, but the casters and hosts love to trash talk and encourage players to do the same in less formal settings.
The way the translator puts in unnecessary swear words and writes GBM as an egotistic human that is on a tv show to say negative aspects of the NA scene. In korean the show and the way GBM expresses his opinion about NA is very casual and he is also trying to be funny while explaining his hardships. It is also very true that the majority of the people in korea believe that NA pros do play other games even during scrims and that NA solo que is very different from korean solo que. I cant seem to find a reason why this translator titled the article GBM talks to much. This can have different meanings but after reading the translation it seems like the author wants GBM to stfu. He was on a internet show that generally makes fun of things and laughs at unacceptable behavior in Korea that is allowed in other regions especially NA.
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On October 12 2016 09:36 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2016 08:12 TheeCOOON wrote: Most translations I read are not biased and do not have the translators opinion in the translation itself.
Pretty pointed opinion considering it's just a matter of which translation you choose to believe and not based on your understanding oh what was actually said. Wax isn't exactly a random new poster here.
Unless you read reddit inven translations which are totally opinion based and can also be biased depending on the word choice, if you read an official translation for any subject including political dialogue, the translations should not have or try not to have any of the translators thoughts or views. Idk what wax was trying to achieve but his translation clearly shows that he does not like GBM and he wants him to stop talking. It seems like wax has made many posts and it feels like he is just a user who likes writing articles rather than a professional. Maybe I was expecting too much but as a Korean reading the translation it seems rather opinion based.
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Unless you actually give an example of what was misrepresented or taken out of context (including what it should have been translated as), for someone who does not know the original language your accusations hold no value.
When I compare these translations to the comments made by ex samsung players on playing in china (true lol show, translated by ogn themselves), these translations do not seem to be much harsher than those, when looking at the tone.
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On October 12 2016 14:09 Yorbon wrote: Unless you actually give an example of what was misrepresented or taken out of context (including what it should have been translated as), for someone who does not know the original language your accusations hold no value.
When I compare these translations to the comments made by ex samsung players on playing in china (true lol show, translated by ogn themselves), these translations do not seem to be much harsher than those, when looking at the tone.
My biggest problem was the extra comments he added in a translation
Title Couldve been something less aggressive such as GBM Korean LoL talk show translation if he was really going to do a translation and not write personal comments(I find this to be a bit picky depending on if he is a professional or just a user who posts his opinions)
Shameless IMT gossip Why is this shameless? It was just a joke
People he said nice(?) things about You don’t need the question mark, they were complements
This sounded smart but I don’t know if it means anything yes it is meaningful. TSM was a mid/ad who controlled jg and support meaning they had to do a lot of shot calling
translating error that could improve.
There’s a guy called Goldenglue who hit #1, who played on TL, he’s really bad. If you get #1 on Korea, you have this aura around you, no matter who it is.”
This just sounds like an egotistic ass. The way GBM talked was a joking funny way.
When the host asked why is there not scouting from high ladder in NA like KR GBM answered, There is this guy who was number 1 multiple times and his name is Goldenglue, played for TL. He is really not good LOL. When I see a rank 1 in korea they have this aura and are super good like beyond belief, all of them for example peanut.
The most important thing that the writer forgot to mention was that half the people here Dangun (far right) especially takes what GBM says with a grain of salt. He did mention we have to understand what the other people side has to say in order to know when GBM was talking about NA.
Ultimately this post caused GBM and Goldenglue to have a misunderstanding that could have been prevented. When you tell your friend A that friend B is fking sht at league in a joking manner but friend A tells friend B via text that you told him that B was fking sht at league, necessary misunderstandings can happen.
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Lmao Rush is looking at this on his stream right now
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In the same way that a talk show in Korea is spoken in a tone that will be fun for Korean audiences, a translation on a western forum is done in a tone that will be fun for western audiences. If people are getting angry it is because they are looking at something fun and taking it too seriously without understanding tone.
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I don't get the difference with the golden glue thing. If you cite him as proof getting #1 is irrelevant you are saying he's shit reguardless of what words you put around it to sugar coat it
What if I said:
No offense, I think you're alright glue, but the fact you hit #1 proves getting #1 on an is worthless
Pretty sure he hears:
I think you are bad
P.s. I'm not trying to act offended that he said that btw, I don't hate on players for being candid. I'm just saying you can't fix that statement to not be an insult.
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France12463 Posts
Explain a bit why NA is so bad. Kinda sad.
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