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TheTenthDoc
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Ansibled
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On August 06 2015 22:27 Plexa wrote: Oh hey, Velkoz and Twitch buffs Increasing his scaling is actually a good way of buffing twitch. Strengthen his early game too much and he starts wrecking things. I'd much rather they give twitch a clearly defined power curve which increases over time than homogenize twitch by mellowing out his power curve (which is what would happen if you buffed his early game). I'm a bit worried it's going to end up being abusive with new Zeke's. AD buffs whilst you get 50% crit for your ult duration. | ||
Jek
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The buffs to these 3 champions are for me more exciting than the three reworks and new items. | ||
intotheheart
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AlterKot
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phyvo
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Seuss
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Ansibled
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On August 07 2015 04:06 Seuss wrote: 63% increase in zone size is probably the most important change there. Everything else is also important, but that extra zone of control is absolutely huge. It is, but I still don't see how it will make Skarner good. You don't have to fight him there, and he lost a lot for it. IDK, it might be strong but I still don't like this dominion thing. | ||
Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
Prototype Core AP per level lowered to 1 from 3 Now grants 10 mana per level The Hex Core Mk-1 AP per level lowered to 3 from 4 No longer gives 20 flat ability power No longer gives 150 mana Now gives +15 mana per level The Hex Core mk-2 AP per level increased to 6 from 5 No longer gives 40 flat ability power No longer gives 300 mana Now gives +20 mana per level Perfect Hex Core AP per level increased to 10 from 6 No longer gives 60 flat ability power No longer gives 500 mana Now gives +25 mana per level Total Stats at Perfect and level 18: 450 Mana 180 AP [vs 148 current] At base you're weaker by 2 AP/level. At mk-1 you're weaker by 1 AP/level and 20 AP. At mk-2 you're weaker by 1 AP/level and 40 AP. With the Perfect Core you're weaker at any point before level 15, even at 15. Better at 16,17,18. [minus the mana of course] | ||
Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Also Viktor is pretty much the strongest mid currently. | ||
Gahlo
United States34964 Posts
On August 07 2015 09:54 Goumindong wrote: Not sure if this is the place to discuss Viktor changes but they're gutting his early game. Which is hilarious because he isn't all that good Prototype Core AP per level lowered to 1 from 3 Now grants 10 mana per level The Hex Core Mk-1 AP per level lowered to 3 from 4 No longer gives 20 flat ability power No longer gives 150 mana Now gives +15 mana per level The Hex Core mk-2 AP per level increased to 6 from 5 No longer gives 40 flat ability power No longer gives 300 mana Now gives +20 mana per level Perfect Hex Core AP per level increased to 10 from 6 No longer gives 60 flat ability power No longer gives 500 mana Now gives +25 mana per level Total Stats at Perfect and level 18: 450 Mana 180 AP [vs 148 current] At base you're weaker by 2 AP/level. At mk-1 you're weaker by 1 AP/level and 20 AP. At mk-2 you're weaker by 1 AP/level and 40 AP. With the Perfect Core you're weaker at any point before level 15, even at 15. Better at 16,17,18. [minus the mana of course] You couldn't be more wrong. | ||
Ansibled
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Elise change is weird. | ||
Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
He will likely not be able to one shot the wave at 9 And no I am right we had this discussion already. His soloqueue win rate is distinctly middle of the road and his professional win rate ranges from "eh" to "good lord shitty like none other". Even correcting for strength of schedule does not fix these issues. He has some advantages which it isn't worth discussing here so he isn't worthless to pick but he isnt "one of the best" or anything like that. And there is basically no argument to be made that he is. | ||
Gahlo
United States34964 Posts
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
And no, bad champions are perfectly fine being stable meta picks. Current Corki being a prime example[loads of pro picks... loads of pro losses!]. Or Leblanc when she had a goddamn 44% soloqueue win rate and yet people still thought she was oppressive. | ||
cLutZ
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Goumindong
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On August 07 2015 12:23 cLutZ wrote: That just seems like a fundamental misunderstanding of pro play by you. No. I know why Viktor. He can stall(usually unless its against heavy dive). He can farm almost regardless of the matchup and so is unlikely to lose you the game on that if your mid is severely outmatched. He can fit into a decent number of team compositions and so can be picked early without tipping your hand or losing you the mid matchup. He is also strong against Azir specifically, who is otherwise ridiculous. He just isn't that strong, even with those advantages. | ||
cLutZ
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Sonnington
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Alaric
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