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Bullshit, you picked Mundo and Maokai and gave no fucks because you could actually deward and not die for it. The last Maokai rework actually really killed what made him fun to me: the ability to abuse item timings (especially early on) and his kit to just go ham and stay alive, running disruption (and/or distraction, especially played top when you got ahead in lane and could use the additional ability damage from your level advantage to threaten squishies) to make space for your carries. His new ult actually punishes that (because of positioning).
Raidbosses all the way!
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Are you sure you're talking about Maokai, the strongest tank in the game right now?
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so.... I was testing stoneborn/ardent lulu.... and its actually way better than i thought.
the ult applies stoneborn. and not just the knockup, but the aoe slow as well. its like stoneborn in an aura for 7 seconds. that shit is crazy if you use it on your divers/tanks and just apply it via shield/glitterlance for your adc.
whimsy also applies it. literally anything lulu does applies stoneborn.
I think its legit, losing the 5% cdr and 10% shield doesn't hurt that badly when ardent is so strong.
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damn that actually sounds like it might be good shame it scales on max hp and get halved for ranged champs
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yeah, mostly you're just proccing ardent off it. all the autoattack divers like kled or reksai or whatever gain so much off it
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
Ardent Censer has been stealth OP for over a year now. (As predicted Sona did get nerfs; 6.14 pre-hotfix Sona is top 3 most busted champs of all time. But she's still disgusting.) It's kind of mind-boggling it took the pros this long to start abusing it. Hopefully it will finally soon start getting nerfed back into reasonableness now that Riot achieved its goal of getting people to give it a fair shot. It happened previously with Cloud Drake / Righteous Glory, and it may happen eventually with Zeke's too.
Also I'm glad that people are starting to come to the realization that Rabadon's Deathcap is overrated. Ketara was preaching like three years ago that Void Staff almost always outdamages Deathcap on 90% of situations, and the only reason to ever get Deathcap was for waveclear (because minions don't have MR) or for AP-scaling utility like shields/heals.
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janna isn't the best censer holder, it's just that she supports the playstyle that censer benefits the most; turret adcs autoing anything in range
trying to shut down adcs when janna combines some of the best peel of any champion in the game with some of the best stat boosting of any champ is the game is very difficult
if you nerfed censer janna would still probably be bonkers its just the ADCs need to be more fed to make up for the nerf in censer gold value
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i still remember a few days ago when a shitty twitch on the enemy team got skarner stunned into skarner ult into swain snare and he went from 1/4th hp to full instantly due to janna/censor and snare lets him AA still. its a fucking joke honestly, at some point you literally cant even kill champs like twitch with a janna unless perma cc'd since they heal so much.
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On August 09 2017 02:54 Slayer91 wrote: janna isn't the best censer holder, it's just that she supports the playstyle that censer benefits the most; turret adcs autoing anything in range
trying to shut down adcs when janna combines some of the best peel of any champion in the game with some of the best stat boosting of any champ is the game is very difficult
if you nerfed censer janna would still probably be bonkers its just the ADCs need to be more fed to make up for the nerf in censer gold value
I think one of the issues with janna is unless you play her a vast majority of players don't see shes strong because at the end of the game she hasn't done damage xD
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I'm going to be honest, I really miss old dragon. I understand how Baron vs Elder Dragon can be interesting. But between the randomness of elemental drakes is terrible. I think the best dragon they may have had was maybe just before the elemental drakes where bonuses were set based on which number of dragons you had (although the ordering of the benefits was terrible). I really wish there were some way to control which dragons spawned in the game.
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On August 09 2017 03:40 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2017 02:54 Slayer91 wrote: janna isn't the best censer holder, it's just that she supports the playstyle that censer benefits the most; turret adcs autoing anything in range
trying to shut down adcs when janna combines some of the best peel of any champion in the game with some of the best stat boosting of any champ is the game is very difficult
if you nerfed censer janna would still probably be bonkers its just the ADCs need to be more fed to make up for the nerf in censer gold value I think one of the issues with janna is unless you play her a vast majority of players don't see shes strong because at the end of the game she hasn't done damage xD
you fucking see it when you try to kill backliners against janna support
jannas a huge ban atm in solo q but because of lulu thresh and even roaming blitz being super annoying as well she isn't perma ban yet.
the real issue with janna seeming average is all the egirl onetricks spamming E getting 50% winrates xD
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On August 09 2017 03:56 geript wrote: I'm going to be honest, I really miss old dragon. I understand how Baron vs Elder Dragon can be interesting. But between the randomness of elemental drakes is terrible. I think the best dragon they may have had was maybe just before the elemental drakes where bonuses were set based on which number of dragons you had (although the ordering of the benefits was terrible). I really wish there were some way to control which dragons spawned in the game. you know what, I would love it if you could see what the order of the drakes is going to be during champion select. I think it'd be a really nice touch that could shake up pick/ban a little bit.
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On August 09 2017 04:04 Scip wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2017 03:56 geript wrote: I'm going to be honest, I really miss old dragon. I understand how Baron vs Elder Dragon can be interesting. But between the randomness of elemental drakes is terrible. I think the best dragon they may have had was maybe just before the elemental drakes where bonuses were set based on which number of dragons you had (although the ordering of the benefits was terrible). I really wish there were some way to control which dragons spawned in the game. you know what, I would love it if you could see what the order of the drakes is going to be during champion select. I think it'd be a really nice touch that could shake up pick/ban a little bit. In the least this would be nice. It would also make the decision to take drake when you have the chance interesting. It could also affect the choice to go for early drakes to try and hit all 5 before Elder. Plus, if you have Infernal/Infernal early on, it makes the choice of drafting for early game "win lane win game" comp interesting.
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Janna's been busted in soloQ for years, literally years. Censer really has nothing to do with it, her kit is just tailor made to control what soloQ is all about. Chaos.
Rito wrote: Janna Nerf - Removing overall power and looking to add a bit more skill expression to her kit. At present we're trying higher CDs, with W reducing CDs/restoring mana on champion hit to reward more aggressive/risky use of that. Not yet sure if that'll be the final direction though.
Janna "nerf" will end up being a buff for Janna mains. Mark my words.
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On August 09 2017 01:51 GrandInquisitor wrote:Ardent Censer has been stealth OP for over a year now. (As predicted Sona did get nerfs; 6.14 pre-hotfix Sona is top 3 most busted champs of all time. But she's still disgusting.) It's kind of mind-boggling it took the pros this long to start abusing it. Hopefully it will finally soon start getting nerfed back into reasonableness now that Riot achieved its goal of getting people to give it a fair shot. It happened previously with Cloud Drake / Righteous Glory, and it may happen eventually with Zeke's too. Also I'm glad that people are starting to come to the realization that Rabadon's Deathcap is overrated. Ketara was preaching like three years ago that Void Staff almost always outdamages Deathcap on 90% of situations, and the only reason to ever get Deathcap was for waveclear (because minions don't have MR) or for AP-scaling utility like shields/heals.
Im glad I listened to Ketara early on. I'd bop kids so hard midgame compared to people getting dcap and they'd be surprised every time.
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On August 09 2017 04:00 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2017 03:40 JimmiC wrote:On August 09 2017 02:54 Slayer91 wrote: janna isn't the best censer holder, it's just that she supports the playstyle that censer benefits the most; turret adcs autoing anything in range
trying to shut down adcs when janna combines some of the best peel of any champion in the game with some of the best stat boosting of any champ is the game is very difficult
if you nerfed censer janna would still probably be bonkers its just the ADCs need to be more fed to make up for the nerf in censer gold value I think one of the issues with janna is unless you play her a vast majority of players don't see shes strong because at the end of the game she hasn't done damage xD you fucking see it when you try to kill backliners against janna support jannas a huge ban atm in solo q but because of lulu thresh and even roaming blitz being super annoying as well she isn't perma ban yet. the real issue with janna seeming average is all the egirl onetricks spamming E getting 50% winrates xD
I think higher elo more people notice but in plat I rarely see her banned. Whereas if a mid had her winrate you'd see it banned every game. Op supports get to slide under the radar a bit.
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On August 09 2017 04:17 Jek wrote: Janna's been busted in soloQ for years, literally years. Censer really has nothing to do with it, her kit is just tailor made to control what soloQ is all about. Chaos. I disagree. The problem with playing the super supports in soloQ really depends on a basic competence for the ADC. The better your ADC is the stronger something like Janna becomes. Most people just don't understand their own roles in a game; those people are often too heavy to carry no matter how good you are unless you have help. At gold and up I'd probably agree with you.
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On August 09 2017 04:33 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2017 04:00 Slayer91 wrote:On August 09 2017 03:40 JimmiC wrote:On August 09 2017 02:54 Slayer91 wrote: janna isn't the best censer holder, it's just that she supports the playstyle that censer benefits the most; turret adcs autoing anything in range
trying to shut down adcs when janna combines some of the best peel of any champion in the game with some of the best stat boosting of any champ is the game is very difficult
if you nerfed censer janna would still probably be bonkers its just the ADCs need to be more fed to make up for the nerf in censer gold value I think one of the issues with janna is unless you play her a vast majority of players don't see shes strong because at the end of the game she hasn't done damage xD you fucking see it when you try to kill backliners against janna support jannas a huge ban atm in solo q but because of lulu thresh and even roaming blitz being super annoying as well she isn't perma ban yet. the real issue with janna seeming average is all the egirl onetricks spamming E getting 50% winrates xD I think higher elo more people notice but in plat I rarely see her banned. Whereas if a mid had her winrate you'd see it banned every game. Op supports get to slide under the radar a bit.
Its more that, for all supportive champions, what is good in SoloQ is disconnected from what is good in Pro play. Thus "OP SoloQ supports" dont get picked/banned regularly in LCS. Sona is right on Janna's heels in winrate, how much of a surprise would if she was picked 3 times in all of playoffs? Rammus and Amumu have famously been great soloQ junglers for years without ever sniffing pro play. On the other end of the spectrum, Shen is almost always below 50% winrate, same with elise. When Thresh got over 50% winrate in soloQ you knew he was broken beyond belief.
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On August 09 2017 04:57 cLutZ wrote: On the other end of the spectrum, Shen is almost always below 100% winrate, same with elise. I mean. i'd hope so.
Janna+ardent just gives nuts gold value to an adc. can speed up the progression of an adc by like 3 minutes for a top player, or even up to 10 for garbage ones.
That's just so much for solo queue. And that's without all the save potential to keep very dumb players alive well past what they should be.
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