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On June 22 2017 08:59 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 03:18 Frolossus wrote: my least favorite rework was karma's. using your mantra shield to damage things was a really different playstyle that i don't feel like any other champion does They did keep that in the rework. They just removed it around two years afterward. IN a totally different way though. it dealt much less damage, could only be cast on champs and not minions, it was just different,
I'm kind of cursed though when it comes to playing champions. i pick a champ to get good at and it gets reworked shortly after.
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New Shen can't just go just raidboss mode so it has to be worse. On that note, fuck Maokai's reworks.
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Can we all just agree that the Maokai rework was shit? They took away probably the best tank ultimate in the game, and moved his power into weird situational shit that usually doesn't work, especially in solo queue. Now we have these retarded saplings that can be stacked and do 16% of someone's max health, and an ultimate that usually doesn't do anything because a tank can just take one of the roots and everyone else can stand behind them and not get hit by anything.
The only time he's been remotely popular was at support, just because of how stupid his saplings are, and that's still the position where his win rate is highest, even after they made changes to try to stop people from playing him at that position. I get that the sapling changes is kind of cool thematically, but in the actual game, it's pretty dumb. They should have made so in a bush they have an increased slow instead of doing insane damage.
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Saplings are worse anyway 'cause you can't snipe people with them anymore either. They aren't even cool like that now!
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I loved mao rrwork most fun i had playing support ever. Then they made him unplayable anywhere
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I really dislike the idea of making saplings a huge gimmick that works in laning phase and as a troll to camp bushes.. not a true manly tank playstyle at all
old and new mao ults are kinda cool. You can use R to peel from the front, or else try some hammer and anvil play with a tp behind or flank with RG to get a sick engage in so they have to run into your team or get cc'd.
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I understand why people didnt like it. But man was it fun to make death bushes by your self or bait people to chase you into multiple bushes that had saps. Prob one of thode fun to play awful to play vs.
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On June 22 2017 10:17 JimmiC wrote: I understand why people didnt like it. But man was it fun to make death bushes by your self or bait people to chase you into multiple bushes that had saps. Prob one of thode fun to play awful to play vs. The AP maokai death bushes on ARAM give me nightmares.
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MY best memory with him, possibly in league history was I was playing support and the other team had a super cocky and fed darius who said he was a masters smurf (plat game) he may have been or just having a good game but he was like 1v3 ing us and being cocky as hell. So I set 5 bombs up in the brush at dragon pit and said 1v1 me. he runs over and starts doing his taunt over and over then I just w to him q him to the push and ult and he runs right to bush and blows up. His whole team even started LOLing. Good times.
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My feeling about new maokai is slightly similar to the poppy rework.
I'd have been happier if it was just a new champion based on that new maokai ult, compared to what they did. Like how i wish poppy was still poppy, and new poppy was some brand new champ.
The new mao ult is really cool, and the slow zone control is something that would have been really cool on a champ based on it, maybe a champ that creates terrain and stuff, not the champ that was all about absorbing damage and locking someone down.
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i had hoped they would let maokai get 'stealth' when he is near a tree on the map
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I actually think the old jungle Maokai was the best version. Or, at least, I think jungle Maokai had the most interesting playstyle of all the Maokai iterations.
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On June 22 2017 13:40 cLutZ wrote: I actually think the old jungle Maokai was the best version. Or, at least, I think jungle Maokai had the most interesting playstyle of all the Maokai iterations. i mean thats what they were trying to do with the new one. but they kinda whiffed.
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On June 23 2017 03:02 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 13:40 cLutZ wrote: I actually think the old jungle Maokai was the best version. Or, at least, I think jungle Maokai had the most interesting playstyle of all the Maokai iterations. i mean thats what they were trying to do with the new one. but they kinda whiffed. How is it like the new one at all?
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On June 23 2017 03:08 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 03:02 PrinceXizor wrote:On June 22 2017 13:40 cLutZ wrote: I actually think the old jungle Maokai was the best version. Or, at least, I think jungle Maokai had the most interesting playstyle of all the Maokai iterations. i mean thats what they were trying to do with the new one. but they kinda whiffed. How is it like the new one at all? they were trying to make the % max hp saplings to force you back into the jungle to use it but it just made people go support instead.
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I'm just sad s5 maokai is gone. At the time, when I just started watching/playing, the maokai flanks by marin were imo really cool, with the greaves/homeguard/righteous glory.
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On June 23 2017 03:19 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 03:08 cLutZ wrote:On June 23 2017 03:02 PrinceXizor wrote:On June 22 2017 13:40 cLutZ wrote: I actually think the old jungle Maokai was the best version. Or, at least, I think jungle Maokai had the most interesting playstyle of all the Maokai iterations. i mean thats what they were trying to do with the new one. but they kinda whiffed. How is it like the new one at all? they were trying to make the % max hp saplings to force you back into the jungle to use it but it just made people go support instead. Well, he still couldn't clear the jungle so that isn't close. His ganks now are trash compared to then because his W range got nuked, and his ult is so weird it doesn't fit for a jungler either.
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He is designed well as a support now. It is just that riot and old MAO fans want him has a big tank top or jungle. What they should have done is just released a new champ with these abilities as a catapult ap support.
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Yes, he is a peeling support now. It should be obvious why old Mao players are not fans.
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His ult is also pretty easy to hit in a duo lane when your flash is up, you can usually ult -> flash W -> Q knock back to guarantee it for a pretty nasty CC chain. obv any jungle like j4 or lee can guarantee it as well.
but yeah he's in no way the same. and for peel champs i'd rather tahm or thresh. I am sad i never got to screw around with old maokai ult + old bond of stone + knights vow.
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