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United Kingdom50293 Posts
Riot has announced that NACS team Team Dragon Knights and NA LCS team Renegades have both been banned from participating in riot sanctioned leagues on account of an attempt to circumvent the ban of Chris Badawi. Other allegations levelled at Renegades include a failure to honor contracts and pay player as well as misleading LCS officials on the nature of the relationship between TDK and Renegades. They will be given until 11:59pm PST on May 18th to sell their LCS spot
TL;DR: Renegades management has been found to have knowingly violated the competitive ban against Chris Badawi, misrepresented their relationship with TDK, and compromised player welfare and safety. Both the Renegades organization and TDK organization will no longer be allowed to continue participating in Riot-sanctioned leagues. In addition, Chris Badawi will be permanently banned from association or affiliation with any team or organization participating in a Riot-sanctioned league, while Christopher Mykles is banned for one year from holding any Riot-sanctioned position within a competing organization. Chris and Sean Shim of TDK are indefinitely banned from association or affiliation with an organization in a Riot-sanctioned league, subject to first review in January 2019.
Full competitive ruling
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I hope former TDK and Relegades players will share some juicy drama stories about Badawi and TDK management
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Perhaps this situation is related to the rumour of Seraph and Ninja leaving Renegades, thus prompting Freeze to bail out for H2K?
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It is most likely the players knew the ship was sinking and they were looking for ways out. I suspect the players have more information on this than we do.
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So basically, nothing about the promotion tournament actually mattered since everyone got relegated anyway. People are already keening elsewhere about how this is a retaliation hit for Monte criticizing the caster pay scale of the LCS ownership illuminati hating Badawi, but I think most people with eyes and a working brain knew these two teams were basically Renegades and Renegades Jr. for a while now.
On May 09 2016 13:01 Saradin wrote: Perhaps this situation is related to the rumour of Seraph and Ninja leaving Renegades, thus prompting Freeze to bail out for H2K?
Has to be. I feel bad for Ohq. I'm sure he can find a team wherever but this split turned out to be a total shitshow for him.
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It's not a matter of "knowing", but a matter of having tangible proof.
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Curious about potential legal responses from Relegades - The Manning incident in the NFL ultimately went to a U.S. state judge, who decided to uphold the games ban. Could a Relegades seek an injunction from a Californian judge on this matter and what grounds are available to them?
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I can't wait to hear Thoorin and Montecristo rant about this.
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On May 09 2016 14:54 ParadeofMadness wrote: Curious about potential legal responses from Relegades - The Manning incident in the NFL ultimately went to a U.S. state judge, who decided to uphold the games ban. Could a Relegades seek an injunction from a Californian judge on this matter and what grounds are available to them?
I don't think RNG has the funds to go for a long legal battle.
I will wait for drama stories from players till i judge the stuff on that side but i totally believe they broke the rules on the ownership. Which is the main rule for the ban and nobody seems to dispute.
Also que lots of salty monte tewts and comments probably complaining how its bs people are mindlessy following riots ruling without evidence and that they should mindlessy back him instead. Currently he not even denying they broke ownership rules so seems fair to me.
lolesportswrote: For the avoidance of doubt, had Mykles openly disclosed this ownership arrangement, Renegades would not have been accepted into the LCS.
Riot even says this is the part that got RNG kicked.
On May 09 2016 15:28 geript wrote: I can't wait to hear Thoorin and Montecristo rant about this.
why? Thoorin will just make a video and say generic sounding stuff which may sound like an argument but have no real point. Spoiler here is what will happen.
about a 20mins video. He will obviously back Monte. Its monte too so he probably will get out of bed to do this vlog. He will blame riot for being too controlling. Bring up CS:go and talk about how valve don't own everything. Blame riot as evil and how make huge judgement calls on them without stating evidence. Probably focus around the player aspect, downplay or not mention the ownership issue. If he is desperate he will getting in a fight with somebody on twitter or reddit because the crux of a large legal battle is just melts away if you refute what user TSMkid98 said.
Really confuses me how people value Thorrin outside of being saltly. He is the Trump of lol.
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Wow 3 LCS teams out just like that. Best of luck to all the players finding new organiations
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Not entirely surprised to see that some organizations are starting to go under due to the huge amount of money at stake for an LCS team.
Riot will probably crack down hard on any stuff like this in the future.
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The ownership shit seemed blatantly obvious. No one should be surprised. But then again all the other allegations with no evidence seems like typical Riot PR bs. Lets wait and see what happens.
Still a definite ayy lmao moment
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On May 09 2016 12:47 Sent. wrote: I hope former TDK and Relegades players will share some juicy drama stories about Badawi and TDK management
That's why every of them says that nothing like that happened on twitter? :D
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On May 09 2016 18:13 SHr3DD3r wrote: The ownership shit seemed blatantly obvious. No one should be surprised. But then again all the other allegations with no evidence seems like typical Riot PR bs. Lets wait and see what happens.
Kinda thinking the same. The player treatment stuff seems like an afterthought that was just latched on there. The ownership accusations and the deceit that comes with it is surely enough to force them to sell.
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On May 09 2016 19:04 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 18:13 SHr3DD3r wrote: The ownership shit seemed blatantly obvious. No one should be surprised. But then again all the other allegations with no evidence seems like typical Riot PR bs. Lets wait and see what happens.
Kinda thinking the same. The player treatment stuff seems like an afterthought that was just latched on there. The ownership accusations and the deceit that comes with it is surely enough to force them to sell. Pretty much. It seemed only a matter of time before the TDK/RNG ownership situation was going to blow up. Throwing in the player treatment is a bit sketchy as it's a far more serious accusation in my books. I don't really understand the logic of needing to protect the parties if the abusers are now completely removed from ever working in the field but then again these kinds of things are rather sensitive so there might be repercussions I don't know about. Just think if you going to accuse someone of abuse then you need to supply evidence of said abuse to the correct authorities.
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On May 09 2016 19:27 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 19:04 Redox wrote:On May 09 2016 18:13 SHr3DD3r wrote: The ownership shit seemed blatantly obvious. No one should be surprised. But then again all the other allegations with no evidence seems like typical Riot PR bs. Lets wait and see what happens.
Kinda thinking the same. The player treatment stuff seems like an afterthought that was just latched on there. The ownership accusations and the deceit that comes with it is surely enough to force them to sell. Pretty much. It seemed only a matter of time before the TDK/RNG ownership situation was going to blow up. Throwing in the player treatment is a bit sketchy as it's a far more serious accusation in my books. I don't really understand the logic of needing to protect the parties if the abusers are now completely removed from ever working in the field but then again these kinds of things are rather sensitive so there might be repercussions I don't know about. Just think if you going to accuse someone of abuse then you need to supply evidence of said abuse to the correct authorities. Agreed on supplying evidence. Well or at least be more concrete about the accusations as showing direct evidence is problematic for privacy reasons. My guess would be it is a smaller thing that gets blown out of proportion by wording it vaguely.
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Reading RL vague tweets it seems that he thinks Riot is using lesser charges they can prove to remove him instead of the more serious stuff they know about but can't prove. The vagueness of all this is frustrating. If it's so serious then surely people need to know as RNG is more than just a league team or is it only serious within Riot's rules sphere? We'll see what the RL article says I guess, hopefully there's more context and evidence there.
Even the ownership stuff with Monte feels so loose. A deal that after ban is lifted the person will resume ownership seems perfectly fine within the rules. So really does feel like something else is going on. Let's just hope some light is shed on the situation. If there was player abuse then that's serious and needs to be dealt with properly.
edit: Pretty interesting that Thorin seems to agree with us that player welfare is the most serious thing here and isn't just about League sphere but games in general. He even suggests that there's truth to this.
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On May 09 2016 19:41 Numy wrote: Even the ownership stuff with Monte feels so loose. A deal that after ban is lifted the person will resume ownership seems perfectly fine within the rules. So really does feel like something else is going on. Let's just hope some light is shed on the situation. If there was player abuse then that's serious and needs to be dealt with properly. No it does not. The LCS rules even explicitly say that such a deal would be treated the same as ownership. Which makes perfect sense. And it seems more than likely that the money to run REN and possibly TDK came from Badawi even this season.
3.1 Team Ownership Restriction
...Any buyback provision, right of first purchase, or similar interest in a team shall be treated as a controlling interest in such team for the purposes of enforcing ownership restrictions. …
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On May 09 2016 19:49 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 19:41 Numy wrote: Even the ownership stuff with Monte feels so loose. A deal that after ban is lifted the person will resume ownership seems perfectly fine within the rules. So really does feel like something else is going on. Let's just hope some light is shed on the situation. If there was player abuse then that's serious and needs to be dealt with properly. No it does not. The LCS rules even explicitly say that such a deal would be treated the same as ownership. Which makes perfect sense. And it seems more than likely that the money to run REN and possibly TDK came from Badawi even this season. Show nested quote +3.1 Team Ownership Restriction
...Any buyback provision, right of first purchase, or similar interest in a team shall be treated as a controlling interest in such team for the purposes of enforcing ownership restrictions. … Interesting, didn't know that thanks.
Seems rather weird to me. What else do they expect to happen when they suspend an owner for a year? I assumed it was just implied that when his ban was up he'd go back to the team he started. He still owns the overall RNG brand right?
It's obviously different story if he was actively supplying money and being involved in the running of the teams which seemed like what was happened. Thought he'd just sit out a year with his RNG brand but not league teams then after a year merely go back to owning the league teams too.
edit: Anyway think we all agree there was super dodgy shit going on with RNG/TDK ownerships and that's not really an issue with this Ruling.
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On May 09 2016 15:28 geript wrote: I can't wait to hear Thoorin and Montecristo rant about this.
Richard Lewis already said Riot made the right decision, and Thorin has most likely talked to RL. Thorins "rant" was more about trying to paint Montecristo as a too trustworthy person while acknowledging Chris Badawi as a shady guy.
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