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I doubt TSM finishes outside top 2 na in spring. The other two rosters have great players but have not played together long.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
Guys with Koreans win. GO KOREAN GUYS
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Oh well here we go again. I mainly like this to see at the end of the split how wrong we all were.
EU: OG, H2K, FNC, VIT, UOL, G2, GIA, ROC, SPY, EL
NA: TSM, IMT, NRG, C9, TL, CLG, REN, DIG, FOX, TIP
We could make a game out of this. Like 10 points if you guessed a team's position correctly, -1 for every place it deviates from your guess.
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On January 09 2016 21:54 JonnyLaw wrote: I doubt TSM finishes outside top 2 na in spring. The other two rosters have great players but have not played together long. I mean, TSM hasn't played together much longer.
Only reservation I have about NRG on paper is Moon is still pretty unproven to me.
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
#GoKorea
Anyway, uuuuh.
OG/FNC/H2K/VIT/G2/EL/GIA/ROC/UoL/Danestack
C9/TSM/NRG/IMT/CLG/EFX/TL/DIG/REN/TIP
Can't wait for another year of failures in those predictions. :p
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Those C9 and EL predictions. :0
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
Actual predictions
EU: OG/H2K/FNC/VIT/G2/GIA/Danestack/UoL/ROC/EL NA: TSM/C9/IMT/NRG/CLG/TL/REN/EFX/DIG/TiP
I guess reasoning behind some of my picks
IMT 3rd: I think that for the Spring split IMT will have a stronger start due to more experienced players whose playstyles on paper have solid cohesion. They may struggle in terms of high level shotcalling which keeps them beneath TSM/C9 but I think they'll come out the gates much stronger than NRG, I expect NRG to overtake them but it'll take a while.
G2 5th: I actually have a lot of faith in G2, which is weird because they didn't look great in EUCS or relegation. Perkz and Hybrid are the two players I expect to be breakout stars this split and I think trick has a lot of room to grow now that he's no longer trying to elo boost Shy against SKT. Emperor and Kikis I'm a bit eh on, Kikis top never really impressed me like his jungling has and Emperor's post-KR career has been underwhelming even in BR.
GIA 6th: I have no idea about atombomben but if he enables Giants to play a playstyle besides split push then I'm all onboard for him; I hope that with the time out of the spotlight k0u has matured enough to play a more flexible jungle style as he's got the skill but he's often been stubborn in his playstyle. The SPECIALIST MARKSMAN is a sore spot but I have faith that the top side will provide pepi with the support to get giants back into playoffs. Maybe if this top side pays off they can even overtake G2.
The rest are mostly predictable and self-explanatory
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EU: OG/H2K/FNC/VIT/GIA/G2/DANESTACK/UOL/ROC/EL
NA: TSM/C9/NRG/IMT/CLG/TL/REN/EFX/DIG/TIP
Was honestly hard to pick a team for 5th in na.
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Welp here it goes: 1) OG - They are just too good man. Season PoE is better than season xPeke. Niels and Mithy are just too good. Amazing still underrated somehow. They have synergy/shotcalling level of old C9. I think #1 here is all but guaranteed, but I'll spend entire year worrying that they'll fall off before Worlds. 2) H2K - I'm kinda afraid to put them here, but man, if this isn't one of my favorite teams of all time then I don't know what is. I'm not particularly high on the Jankos/Vander train, but they are servicable, Odo is good, Ryu and Forgiven are fucking fantastic and will wreck all fools with hopefully enough support for it to matter. 3) FNC - I wonder how hard Gamsu and Noxiak will drag rest down, but with hardcore Deilor-enforced practice and a lot of talent between Spirit, Febi and Rekkles 3rd is pretty much guaranteed and I wouldn't be suprised at all if they got higher. 4) VIT - I actually thought they were more hyped, but I guess #4 is pretty agreed on. Funny thing is that I think every single player on this team is overrated, so I'll be cheering for upsets against them. 5) GIA - As much as everyone cooled off on Pepinero, I'm still not ready to full pull out yet. I think this roster is destined for a streaky performance (on one hand k0u might want to finally perform in his LCS debut, but once it goes to shit, it goes to shiiiiit). So either here or #8 tbh. 6) G2 - LOLOCELOTE. I actually think Kikis' transition will be painless and might even be a better top than jungle. Roster is just OK I guess, probably should put them ahead of GIA but I believe. 7) SPL - Literally who, but looks less trash than teams below. 8) UOL - So there's like 1 in 100 chance that this team is actually going to work, Fox finds a good meta for him, Diamond finds few champions that work well for him, Vizi gets good again, Hylissang is so good at taking care of animals that he can defend Steelback until lategame stars and he can play "the cleanup ADC". If all that happens then they probably end up 5th or higher (I'd actually really love them to beat Vit for 4th, but that's getting way ahead out of myself). 9) ROC - Literal trashcan, but they might win 1 or 2 games off an early lead. 10) TRASH IS AN ELEMENT AND ALL ELEMENTS ARE TRASH
NA: lol who cares they are all trash, hope nrg reks kids
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On January 09 2016 23:34 Redox wrote: Those C9 and EL predictions. :0
I don't actually think that this Elements is that bad. Like, of course, Eika/Steve sololanes are nothing special, but neither are UoLs or ROCCAT and Gilius is probably better than both Diamondprox and Airwaks right now. Rallez is good as well, so there it is.
Danestack still has the worst toplane/support in the entire league so it comes down to can Sencux or Rallez keep their teams higher.
GIANTS are probably better on paper, but Adryh still exists, Atom is unproven and k0u wasn't that good in Vortex either. (;_;) So we'll see.
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On January 10 2016 01:21 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Gilius is probably better than both Diamondprox and Airwaks right now. Top kek :>
Here are my predictions: EU: 1. OG, 2. H2K, 3. Vitality, 4. Fnatic, 5. G2, 6. UOL, 7. Danestack, 8. Giants, 9. Roccat, 10. Elements.
I see Kot did the memeing already for me, so I don't need to do that anymore.
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EU
1. OG - PoE is easy plug 'n play and this is the same team from worlds semis. 2. FNC - They might have a slow start, but I have the utmost faith in Deilor/FNC. They had pretty good teamfighting for such a new team at IEM too. 3. H2K - Really talented team here. Honestly #2/3 are interchangeable here and its too hard to say which one will be better. 4. Vitality - Pretty solid lineup. Low ceiling, high floor. 5. G2 - Weird roster but enough talent. 6. UOL - A team with an even lower ceiling than Vitality and also a high floor. 7. Splyce - From here on I'm not too sure, but Sencux seems strong and the rest of roster here seems better than GIA. But who cares about predicting non-playoff teams anyways :D 8. GIA - Poor pepi's back is already broken from Adryh. 9. Roccat - Lomo 10. Elements - Lel
NA
1. TSM - My bet is they'll start off slow but by playoffs time, they'll simply win against everyone. 2. C9 - I heard C9 likes bo5's. And they're not bad enough to not make playoffs this time. 3. IMT - Solid team with a jungle-top duo that will wreck many teams. 4. NRG - Core of carries is one of the best in this region, if not the best. Depends on how Moon/Kwonkwon + teamwork is. 5. CLG - Low ceiling, low floor. 6. TL - lower expectations will be good for them. I think this team has a high ceiling low floor. I really can see them anywhere between top/bottom. 7. Renegades - Top side is just way too weak and mid/adc positions got much stronger in NA. It'll be hard for Ich/Freeze to do much to carry here. 8. Echo Fox - Honestly depends on if Froggen is on vacation or not. I can see this team have a high ceiling as well. 9. Dig - Could sneak a spot into playoffs, but the roster has to prove themselves. Kirei is promising, everyone else is not. 10. TIP - I really hope these no names are actually good LOL return of mashme baby
This is how I think end of season standings will be. For regular season I don't think TSM will be #1 because of the slow start. Same with say FNC (I think they will be lower than h2k in regular season but be higher in playoffs).
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EU
1. Origen, should be obvious. #2 last split, and fnatic completely new. 2. H2K, #3 last split, with much better botlane. 3. Fnatic, they've just got that magic that always performs well regardless of roster. 4. - 10. no one give a shit, everyone here is pretty much trash. I just wanna watch k0u and Pepi struggle.
NA 1. TSM, dude it's TSM. 2. Immortals, $$$ buys talent. 3. C9, shotcawling. 4. NRG, can easily make top 3, sick carry potential everywheree 5. RNG, this is just my fanboyism showing. Freeze + Alex Ich got insane carry potential 6. Echo Fox, IMO they got the tools to make it top 4, but we'll just to see how meme they can go. 7-10, trash.
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1) TSM - Improved at every position. Finally have a real shot caller, and Bjergsen can focus on carrying. My only reservation is Bjergsen's wrist. If it holds up, I can't imagine them finishing outside of top 2.
2) Immortals - Huni and Reignover should be a dominant force. Wildturtle is probably the most underrated ADC at the moment, and I think will make a big comeback. Adrian should be extremely strong on a real team. Pobelter is solid and can carry occasionally.
3) Cloud 9 - Really tough team to call since Rush kind of does his own thing sometimes, but they're a team that's pretty reliant on Hai's shotcalling. Also really depends on how Hai adapts to support and if Balls can keep it together. If everything fits together, they should be a top 3 team. If not, I could definitely see them slipping down to 5th or 6th.
4) Team Liquid - Maybe some fanboying, but I think TL should be good enough to finish top 4. They could have the strongest bot lane, and Fenix is more versatile than most give him credit for. The big questions will be if Lourlo can keep up and if Dom still has what it takes. I've heard a lot of people speak highly of Dardoch, which should help. Loco should be an improvement as coach, despite everybody hating on him for one bad split and a few minutes of TSM: Legends.
5) NRG - This team could do much better, but I'm not entirely convinced yet. I had my doubts about Impact in the summer split, and I'm not sure how KonKwon and Moon will do. Altec should do well, but it may be more difficult without Bunny.
6) Echo Fox - A hard team to judge with so many unknowns. I could see them doing a bit better or a bit worse.
7) CLG - I may be ranking CLG too low, but I think they'll really suffer with the loss of Doublelift and Pobelter. Stixxay certainly has potential, but he's definitely no Doublelift yet. Huhi has never looked good, and until he can prove himself in competitive play, he seems likely to be a bottom tier mid. I've never been a believer in Zion and don't think he can consistently perform, particularly with the competition top lane getting tougher.
8) RNG - Unproven support, RF is their top, and I don't think Crumbz is very good.
9) Dignitas - Unless SmittyJ turns out to be a god, no idea who's going to be the carry on this team. Apollo is a clean up ADC and Shiphtur is Shiphtur.
10) TIP - Mashme and Gate are their bot lane, and I'd never heard of their other 3 players before.
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Australia18228 Posts
Don't know about EU so gonna ignore that 1 - NRG. I like their players and think they have the best 3 carries (Top/Mid/ADC). Maybe TSM would be better if they had someone better than Hauntzer. Impact + GBM sounds like a good fit too - an aggressive tank player with a zone control mid 2 - TSM. I don't think they'll be as dominate in Spring as most expect them to be. I find YellowStar's shotcalling kind of overrated, he struggled keeping Fnatic players in line. I expect some bad games saved only by some Bjergsen/Doublelift play but they should still win most games from having superior players 3 - CLG. Third seems pretty high but when I compare the roster to the remaining teams, I still prefer theirs. Darshan + Xmithie is a better combo than most of the other team's top+jungle and their bot lane can hold their own. HuHi was pretty terrible at IEM but I have faith he can do enough to not feed. 4 - Immortals. Individually their players are all great but I wouldn't trust a call from any of their players (except maybe Adrian, don't recall his games). I expect it'll only take one week of bad games to tilt them for the rest of the season. 5 - Cloud9. I don't like how they played at worlds, their style basically required them to win 2 lanes to have any chance in the game. I don't see this changing with Rush and I don't expect them to win lanes hard enough against the higher teams. 6 - Team Liquid. Never seen Lourlo and I like them adding Smoothie. But with them losing Quas, I don't think they have the tools to beat the top teams 7 - Renegades. I have faith in Crumbzz + Alex + Freeze beating their opposites in the bottom three teams 8 - Dignitas. 9 - Echo Fox. Unless kfo/BIG turns out to be gods, I don't expect much from this team 10 - Impulse.
These are excluding playoffs predictions
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On January 10 2016 04:03 wei2coolman wrote: EU
1. Origen, should be obvious. #2 last split, and fnatic completely new. 2. H2K, #3 last split, with much better botlane. 3. Fnatic, they've just got that magic that always performs well regardless of roster. 4. - 10. no one give a shit, everyone here is pretty much trash. I just wanna watch k0u and Pepi struggle.
NA 1. TSM, dude it's TSM. 2. Immortals, $$$ buys talent. 3. C9, shotcawling. 4. NRG, can easily make top 3, sick carry potential everywheree 5. RNG, this is just my fanboyism showing. Freeze + Alex Ich got insane carry potential 6. Echo Fox, IMO they got the tools to make it top 4, but we'll just to see how meme they can go. 7-10, trash. So, Vitality is trash and Echo Fox/RNG isn't? lol
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On January 11 2016 04:05 orzeu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2016 04:03 wei2coolman wrote: EU
1. Origen, should be obvious. #2 last split, and fnatic completely new. 2. H2K, #3 last split, with much better botlane. 3. Fnatic, they've just got that magic that always performs well regardless of roster. 4. - 10. no one give a shit, everyone here is pretty much trash. I just wanna watch k0u and Pepi struggle.
NA 1. TSM, dude it's TSM. 2. Immortals, $$$ buys talent. 3. C9, shotcawling. 4. NRG, can easily make top 3, sick carry potential everywheree 5. RNG, this is just my fanboyism showing. Freeze + Alex Ich got insane carry potential 6. Echo Fox, IMO they got the tools to make it top 4, but we'll just to see how meme they can go. 7-10, trash. So, Vitality is trash and Echo Fox/RNG isn't? lol echofox is trash, but trash worth mentioning, just cuz froggen, and memeMcBrief.
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1. Easiest 1st place prediction in a while. 2. Say what you will about Balls, Rush in C9 makes this a scary team. 3. Strong team, they could finish even higher but NRG is unproven as an org so I'm giving the nod to C9 over them. 4. I don't believe in the rebirth of Wildturtle, but you can only be so heavy for the shoulders of Huni, Reignover and Pobelter. 5. Only top 4 teams look really strong. CLG is my "best of the rest" pick. 6. Worse than Echo Fox but will place higher due to a slow start by the Foxes. 7. Should have a bumpy start due to how late this team was formed, but otherwise one of the better lower-half teams. 8. Looking at this roster, I imagine Dignitas was aiming for a 7th place finish. They're gonna fall a little short of that. 9. Very underwhelming team overall. 10. Looking at this roster, I imagine TiP was aiming for a 10th place finish. They look set to hit their mark.
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IMT>TSM>TL>NRG>C9>FOX>CLG>RNG>DIG>TIP
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