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Fuck Renegades haha. Example of how being the new new kid on the block but trying to make a "dynamic entry" can backfire hard.
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I cant believe people think there is iluminati controling lol esports and Badawi is our savior.This guy used to be lawyer but act so dumb.
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The kind of anti-poaching rules Riot are trying to enforce are pretty crappy for players and the non-CLG/TSM/Fnatic type teams given the short careers of players (3 years is impressive), short windows of competitiveness for a roster (12 months is really good), and lack of publicly available salary information. That is why I think most people don't like the rules.
Personally, IMO it is impossible to run a team without violating these Riot rules, so its really just about who gets caught, who snitches, which team is salty enough about losing a player, and where Riot has an ax to grind (the Riot-Regi-Lustboy situation being the example that comes to mind).
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I mean, I don't believe most of the tinfoil theories going around reddit right now, but it is a little odd that Regi decided to grant an interview with Travis to slag Badawi, when he normally never does that. That and guitar all of a sudden coming out with this "oh yea badawi tried to bribe us to not let TDK play Alex Ick in promotions" story all of a sudden... something doesn't feel right.
It may be that everything Badawi did is true and Regi is just taking the opportunity to take another cheap shot at Monte, but... I dunno, I want to wait to at least hear Renegades respond to the the team owners before labeling Badawi as the ESPORTS Antichrist.
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Since I dont know which thread we end up using, I am just gonna post here as well:
I think fundamentally Badawi has a point. The poaching rules are too strict and mainly a disadvantage to the players. But even if he was genuinely looking out for player interests, at the same time he was also serving his own interests. As a probable new LCS owner he wanted to aquire new players. Of course the poaching rules were in his way then. And to flat out ignore a rule that is in your way and that you dont like is not the way to go. It might actually make it more difficult to change things.
Also he should not have played the Robin Hood in public after being caught. Alleging that other team owners that you just tried to poach from treat their players unfairly is not gonna go down well. Of course it is going to illicit a public response from someone like Steve or Reginald who believe they treat their players well.
Overall I dont think there is a bad guy on any side here and even less a conspiracy. Such unfortunate situations can easily arise when people with conflicting interests and view points clash.
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I wonder if Riot is going to do anything to the team owners. This kind of goes against what they publically disclosed as their investigation/ruling on the situation. Seems an awfully bold move to go against Riot like that unless they know something we don't about this affair.
Hopefully something good comes from this like more freedom for players to discuss contracts and their worth.
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I watched Travis' interview with Regi and Regi makes a good point in stating that if Badawi was TRULY looking out for player interests, he'd be trying to help out more than the selected targets that he wanted for his team, the likes of Bjergsen, Altec, Quas, etc.
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I don't really know why that's a good point? We only have evidence of him talking to Quas and Riot already looked at if he tried to tamper with more players but ultimately found insufficient evidence. How "good" a person Badawi is doesn't really matter. The discussion surrounding player contracts is one that needs to be done and at least it's happening to come regard. Badawi could be the devil for all we know but that doesn't really change the need for the conversation.
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On July 01 2015 23:58 Lost My Will To Live wrote: I watched Travis' interview with Regi and Regi makes a good point in stating that if Badawi was TRULY looking out for player interests, he'd be trying to help out more than the selected targets that he wanted for his team, the likes of Bjergsen, Altec, Quas, etc. I mean it's not like he can go around telling other teams what they should put in their contracts, but if his team starts having more favourable contracts for players that will put pressure on other teams to as well right?
On July 02 2015 00:14 Numy wrote: Player's union is basically a unicorn at this stage. It's not something that can realistically happen in the current or in the near future so people just talk about it as a means excusing their lack of change. If all the players went on strike would Riot negotiate a compromise or just decide to stop sinking capital in eSports? This isn't like a traditional sport or workplace where both parties "need" each other. It's a hobby of Riots that they enjoy but ultimately if it becomes a thorn in their side will they try and mend it or merely cut it out? Don't worry as soon as Snoopeh's gambling site gets off the ground he'll help everyone out!
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That post wasn't in response to yours, but also from that interview Regi states that if players wanted more freedom and rights they should look to form a players union, an idea that's been floated around for a while.
From all I gather, I highly doubt that this is all a conspiracy theory that all the team owners are just going to come out and publicly bash this guy. As I said, I do believe that if Badawi was truly looking out for players as he claims to be based on his martyring to the public community, then he'd be looking to help out more than the selected few players that other owners have complained about him trying to poach.
Just look at the names he's looking to poach. You don't see him trying to poach the shitty players like Dodo8 lol.
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Player's union is basically a unicorn at this stage. It's not something that can realistically happen in the current or in the near future so people just talk about it as a means excusing their lack of change. If all the players went on strike would Riot negotiate a compromise or just decide to stop sinking capital in eSports? This isn't like a traditional sport or workplace where both parties "need" each other. It's a hobby of Riots that they enjoy but ultimately if it becomes a thorn in their side will they try and mend it or merely cut it out?
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On July 02 2015 00:09 Ansibled wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2015 23:58 Lost My Will To Live wrote: I watched Travis' interview with Regi and Regi makes a good point in stating that if Badawi was TRULY looking out for player interests, he'd be trying to help out more than the selected targets that he wanted for his team, the likes of Bjergsen, Altec, Quas, etc. I mean it's not like he can go around telling other teams what they should put in their contracts, but if his team starts having more favourable contracts for players that will put pressure on other teams to as well right? Theoretically yes. Realistically no.
Theoretically this'll pressure other teams to have more favorable contracts for their players. But if other owners are unwilling to move from their "slave" contracts (let's just assume they're all slave contracts), what can one team do? That pressure means jack shit because the other teams can just collude and say "Nope, the other teams are gonna pay what we used to pay and what are you gonna do about it? All leave? lol"
Until there are rules and regulations put in place, there's really nothing that's going to change until something forcibly causes a change.
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On July 02 2015 00:14 Numy wrote: Player's union is basically a unicorn at this stage. It's not something that can realistically happen in the current or in the near future so people just talk about it as a means excusing their lack of change. If all the players went on strike would Riot negotiate a compromise or just decide to stop sinking capital in eSports? This isn't like a traditional sport or workplace where both parties "need" each other. It's a hobby of Riots that they enjoy but ultimately if it becomes a thorn in their side will they try and mend it or merely cut it out? Riot's not going to do anything because they don't give a shit about what owners pay their players. We're talking about player salaries (not LCS participation fees) provided by the teams themselves. If the players strike, then Riot will just go fill LCS with a buncha amateur scrubs who don't care enough to get paid handsomely.
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Ok, I'm rather interested in Jack's allegation of Chris telling Yusui that he's working with Locodoco to build a team. Either.. 1. It's a false allegation, and Jack (or Yusui) is slandering Locodoco. 2. It's true; Chris told Yusui that. But Chris was lying to Yusui and ends up slandering Locodoco. 3. It's true; Chris told Yusui that. And Chris wasn't lying; Locodoco's got explaining to do.
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On July 02 2015 01:26 Saradin wrote: Ok, I'm rather interested in Jack's allegation of Chris telling Yusui that he's working with Locodoco to build a team. Either.. 1. It's a false allegation, and Jack (or Yusui) is slandering Locodoco. 2. It's true; Chris told Yusui that. But Chris was lying to Yusui and ends up slandering Locodoco. 3. It's true; Chris told Yusui that. And Chris wasn't lying; Locodoco's got explaining to do.
I'm more inclined to believe #2 or #3, Jack doesn't seem to be the type of person to just randomly make shit up. (Unless it's Yusui slinging random shit and Jack just made the mistake of believing him).
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Didn't RLewis leak that the Yusui stuff happened before he was contracted?
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Yep, Yusui wasn't under contract with C9 yet. Jack has no problems with the contacting Yusui part.
It's the mentioning of Locodoco and Chris going after Hard that Jack has issues with. Well, plus what he alleges Chris said during his contact with Hard. Article here.
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